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Posted by rbanffy 4 hours ago

NIST scientists create 'any wavelength' lasers(www.nist.gov)
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adzm 2 hours ago|
Everyone talking about magenta and brown, but you can see an illusory color right now even without lasers! https://dynomight.net/colors/ behold, some kind of hyper-turquoise
jcul 2 hours ago||
The whole idea of colour and light frequency is fascinating.

These are just frequencies of light, but the subjective experience of them is so much more.

And the whole thing of my perception of "red" or what I call "red" could be very different to someone else's subjective perception. But we would both call it red and associate it with the same thing, fire, love, heat, danger etc.

sgc 9 minutes ago|||
> what I call "red" could be very different to someone else's subjective perception

It's worth noting that is true of virtually everything we know. >>This is a very simple sentence.<< Anybody who understands English, 'understands' it. But what it means to understand it is perhaps completely different for each person. As long as they fit into the same place in their worldview (Lewis Caroll's Carrollian syllogisms come to mind), practically it often doesn't matter beyond recognizing the wonderful uniqueness of each human being. Likewise, unless somebody is color blind or perceives more colors than others (tetrachromats), it doesn't matter since the relationships between the different concepts or colors will be analogous amongst most people - so a common understanding within the differences is possible. Or perhaps it is more precise to say that there are so many data points in color perception or anything we know, that despite the minor differences in relationships, we understand each other because the differences must be minimal given the practically unlimited data points constraining our perceptions. In fact, when people's perceptions of things vary too much, they can be classified as mentally ill even if they understand many things perfectly well.

da_chicken 1 hour ago||||
I think it's important to remember that we're not perceiving some fundamental aspect of light. We're perceiving how the photosensitive portions of our retina convert light to stimulus, and how our brains construct a meaningful image from that stimulus in our mind.

Like film photography doesn't happen in the lens or the world. It happens in that photosensitive chemical reaction, and the decision of the photographer.

TomatoCo 1 hour ago||
It reminds me of how vinyl records are fairly lossy, but they provide a superior experience in some cases because those limitations have been accounted for during the mastering process.

It's an entire pipeline from photomultiplier to recording medium to the inverse process and everything is optimized not for any particular mathematical truth but for the subjective experience.

hank808 2 minutes ago||
Most records these days use CDs as masters, sadly.
awesome_dude 1 hour ago||||
But also - colours don't exist without a name

eg. Before Orange, there was only shades of yellow or reds

jjk166 1 hour ago||
The colors most certainly exist without the name. You may have described the fruit as being a weird shade of red, but if someone held up something red and said "so it was this color" you'd say no. Conversely if someone held up something that was actually orange colored, you'd say "yeah it was that color."

Similarly, you may have no idea what the name is for the color of a Tangerine, but you know what that color is. You might describe it as a dark orange. If I say the name for it is coquelicot, you can look up coquelicot and see if it matches the color you picture in your mind.

huflungdung 1 hour ago|||
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twodave 32 minutes ago|||
FYI if you get ocular/retinal migraines like me then the exercise in this article might be a bad idea.
junon 2 hours ago||
For those not seeing it or only seeing a little, stare at it for a while then shake your head (or your phone) just a bit.
marzell 2 hours ago||
Also there are other variants and tricks around this for other colors as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color
jjmarr 26 minutes ago||
I'm excited for new displays where instead of RGB primaries that can only show a triangular subset of possible colours, we have dynamic primaries that can combine to show almost any colour.
mapt 3 hours ago||
Is there a single person here interested in photonic computing that wants to explain to the class if there's any "there" there?
nine_k 2 hours ago||
Immediately:

* You can pack many more different colors into fiber optic communication lines. Every color carries a few tens of GHz in modulation, but the carrier light is in hundreds of THz; there's a ton of bandwidth not used between readily available colors.

* You can likely do interesting molecular chemistry by precisely adjusting laser light to the energy levels of particular bonds / electrons.

* Maybe you can precisely target particular wavelengths / absorption bands for more efficient laser cutting and welding, if these adjustable lasers can be made high-power.

summa_tech 1 hour ago|||
Fiber has fairly narrow windows in which it is as transparent as it needs to be to go long distance. We're already pretty good at filling these windows with conventional semiconductor lasers.

What this is actually interesting for is being able to access arbitrary atomic transitions, many of which are outside the range of conventional semiconductors (too short, usually - there's a big hole between green and red for semiconductors). That's why they talk about quantum stuff.

suzzer99 2 hours ago|||
* Concert lasers just got a lot cooler.
inetknght 1 hour ago||
Concert tickets will still remain very hot though.
db48x 3 hours ago|||
It’s like any other fundamental research: you don’t know how much it’s worth until people start using it to solve real problems. This is something that is literally impossible to guess ahead of time. The most abstract mathematical techniques could turn into a trillion–dollar industry (number theory begat RSA encryption which now underpins _everything_ we do).

But I will say that precise control of laser wavelength is critical to today’s communication technologies. I doubt their new techniques will be useless.

QQ00 1 hour ago||
Hopefully the billions money in AI will find some of its to turn this into real life applications. AI inference would love some more faster more efficient communication.

I mean, Photonic computing already got the attention of these big tech companies.

topspin 3 hours ago|||
There is there there...

The substance is they've created a way to fabricate a device that can make the optical frequencies they wish. That is useful: it means a designer isn't limited to frequencies that are economic to generate with existing techniques, which is a constraint that lasers currently struggle with: low cost, compact, efficient laser sources (the kind that fit on a chip, and are fabricated by cost effective processes,) only exist for a limited number of frequencies.

The story is typical tech journalism pabulum, but the underlying paper does discuss efficiency. It's about what you'd expect: 35 mW -> 6 mW @ 485 nm, for example.

An obvious use case is multimode fiber communication: perhaps this makes it possible to use more frequencies for greater bandwidth and/or make the devices cheaper/smaller/more efficient. But there are other, more exotic things one might do when some optical frequency that was previously uneconomic becomes feasible to use at scale.

criticalfault 2 hours ago||
I wonder if this could also work for (e)uv
dado3212 2 hours ago|||
I think it's more relevant for quantum computing. The ions we choose for ion trap quantum computers are in part due to what wavelengths are excitable by modified telecom lasers, because they're the wavelengths that are easiest to produce and where the most research/stability/miniaturization has been focused. If the laser wavelength is configurable to this degree then it no longer becomes a constraint, and maybe you can choose single ions with different characteristics.
Lerc 1 hour ago|||
Not an expert in the field but it seems to me the key points are.

Generating any wavelength. (this article)

Accurately measuring wavelength. (otherwise there's no information benefit to arbitrary wavelength generation)

Wavelength insensitive holographic gates. (If they work on that frequency, and in a way that does not change the frequency) I don't know what properties such devices currently have

Assuming all of those, your ability to compute increases to your ability to distinguish wavelengths.

You could theoretically calculate much more in a way you could never detect, but then you get into some really interesting tree falling in a forest issues.

2ndorderthought 2 hours ago|||
Depends on the cost. We already have variable wavelength lasers. We have had them for years. They are currently expensive, large, and not the easiest things to control electronically.

I have an application in mind for this technology outside of photonic computing. Again, it depends entirely on price, tunability, bandwidth of the profile, etc. My understanding of the photocomputing field is limited but I never thought the major issues were wavelength related? Maybe someone can educate me.

If anyone wants to send me one of these I would be pumped.

brcmthrowaway 3 hours ago|||
There's a lot of people here with esoteric knowledge of lasers, because they're generally incredible devices (along with masers). Someone should be able to comment.

I wish we had a large laser manufacturing ability in the West. I would say 95% of lasers of all kinds are manufactured in China.

SilentM68 2 hours ago||
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xphos 28 minutes ago||
I don't know to much about photonics but if they ever figure out the boolean algebra and register storage it would be really cool. You have 1 photo cpu core but just use different wavelengths for different threads running in the core. I am sure its way more complex than that but articles like this make you dream about how much we don't know
chasil 29 minutes ago||
If only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_laser

nabakin 1 hour ago||
> When it comes to information transfer and processing, light can do things that electricity can’t. Photons — particles of light — are far zippier than electrons at working their way through circuits.

Electrons themselves don't move at the speed of light, but information transfer (i.e. communication) via electrons does happen close to the speed of light.

A subtle, but important, distinction that's often misunderstood and means computational performance gains would probably come from bandwidth, not latency.

krenzo 36 minutes ago||
The actual paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.08092
spacedoutman 1 hour ago||
My first thought is this will be used as a weapon to bypass protections against specific wavelengths
spaqin 1 hour ago||
That's most certainly good news (depending on the final cost) for ion trapping quantum computing - the wavelength of the laser they require to trap an ion depends on the molecule chosen, and most setups are expensive, finicky and difficult to calibrate, or sometimes messy if it's a dye laser.
packetlost 1 hour ago|
Neutral atom too. You need fairly clean light to pump atoms into Rydberg states
jagged-chisel 2 hours ago|
The "shrinking" circle: I did as asked and clicked the image to see the animation. I saw no shrinking. My eyes did fatigue and I saw the border between the red and green become a blurred gradient.

What should I have experienced?

deepsun 1 hour ago|
State for longer. It starts shrinking only after a minute.
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