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Posted by Eridanus2 20 hours ago

SPEAKE(a)R: Turn Speakers to Microphones for Fun and Profit [pdf] (2017)(www.usenix.org)
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Se_ba 18 hours ago|
Tbh it's crazy that you can do it in some of the microwaves
jedbrooke 13 hours ago||
Fun fact, an electric guitar can also be used as a microphone if you shout in to it loud enough.

We discovered this while fooling around with some guitars and such as teenagers. We had a 4 track input device that was separating vocals and instruments, but even after turning down the vocal track, we could still hear it in the instrument track. We then of course followed it up with some experiments deliberately shouting into the guitar and enjoying the distorted recordings that came out of it

riobard 15 hours ago||
why is jack retasking a thing…
adrianmonk 10 hours ago|
Chips only have a certain number of pins. It probably works out better economically if those pins can be used for either input or output. Chip manufacturers can thus make one product that will fit the needs of more customers instead of (say) 9 different chip variants with 8 inputs and 0 outputs, 7 inputs and 1 output, 6 inputs and 2 outputs, etc.

It could also be useful to the end user. Motherboards have a limited number of ports since the connectors cost money and take up space on the back panel. One user might want a line input (for digitizing old cassettes, for example)[1] and another user might want an extra surround sound output (for 7.1 surround sound instead of just 5.1 surround). With retasking, the motherboard can support both these niche use cases with a single shared port.

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[1] You can't use a microphone input for this because (a) it's mono and (b) it's a different voltage level.

AmmarSaleh50 18 hours ago||
don't let the CIA see this one
villgax 18 hours ago||
If this or an accelerometer based recording is what Meta uses to eavesdrop on in-person talk then color me pink
murderfs 18 hours ago|
It's pretty unlikely that Meta is actually eavesdropping on your conversations, because it'd be immediately obvious from battery usage. The ability to turn speakers into microphones doesn't help if the speakers aren't actually connected to an ADC, and both of the modern smartphone OSes limit you to on the order of hundreds of samples per second, so it's rather difficult to get anything sensible without either doing a bunch of local analysis or exfiltrating it, both of which would be visible.
slow_typist 17 hours ago||
It can be done with neural networks [1]. Also, speech doesn’t need much bandwidth to be intelligible. You would need control of the analog filter between the accelerometer and the ADC. With 250/s acceleration samples you can reconstruct a signal of a bandwidth of more than 100 Hz anywhere in the spectrum. That is called undersampling.

[1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3478102

nailer 15 hours ago||
Vault 7 from wikileaks confirmed that yes, the CIA is using this.
BFV 19 hours ago|
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rigonkulous 14 hours ago||
Its one of those extremely valuable life-changing hacks that kids who grew up in the 70's with electronics magazines as their primary source of tomfoolery knew all about .. and got into trouble for .. once or twice lets say .. during particularly heated typing classes on selectric machines of the 80's necessitating a headphone distribution mixer for sane memo-taking lessons, with a few crossed wires worth of feedback generation device introduced surreptitiously one particularly memorable summer Friday afternoon - originally intending to impress the girls of the class - not deafen them (albeit temporarily) .. but, in any case, getting the party started early, nevertheless..

(If you are going to attempt this with stereo headphones, keep the streams separated at all times!)

vidarh 19 hours ago|||
I hadn't thought about whether this would still with modern speakers, but this was the common assumption for several older types of speakers and microphones.

One of the first "science experiments" my dad showed me was the other direction: Dismantling our telephone and demonstrating that the carbon microphone (yes, I'm old) in the handset would also work as a (really bad) speaker.

ijk 17 hours ago|||
I feel like this is the kind of hack that made early radio tech exciting to play around with. The basic parts are incredibly simple to assemble from scratch, so it feels like magic. Speakers and microphones are the same thing in reverse. And so on.
hecanjog 19 hours ago|||
This shouldn't be downvoted. Transducers being reversible is a neat and non-obvious thing.
saagarjha 19 hours ago|||
It's probably downvoted because it sounds somewhat nonorganic.
3form 16 hours ago||
Even with the em-dash. New account and other comments seem to be here-and-there. Maybe LLM with some editing after.
dnnddidiej 19 hours ago||||
Motors can be dynamos too
maqp 18 hours ago||
and many LEDs are weak photo-diodes, i.e. you get weak current when you shine a light to them.
mkl 16 hours ago|||
It's pretty obvious if you did high school physics. I experimented with earphones as microphones as a teenager but couldn't get any meaningful audio data.

I think they're being downvoted because their comments all seem to have AI features.

atoav 17 hours ago|||
It is basically the same as turning a motor into a generator.
Rekindle8090 15 hours ago|||
This user is an LLM.