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Posted by Brajeshwar 4 days ago

Turtle WoW classic server announces shutdown after Blizzard wins injunction(www.pcgamer.com)
311 points | 291 commentspage 2
PowerElectronix 4 days ago|
Very sad that IP laws are once again wielded agains people that love more the IP than the IP owners.
surgical_fire 4 days ago||
The irony is that the Turtle team released what was probably the best version of WoW, ever. Blizzard had to get it shutdown because it was fucking embarrassing that a fan project more artistically cohesive and more fun to play than anything Blizzard could spit out in decades despite having virtually unlimited resources.

Obviously, the most competent people at Blizzard are lawyers. That Turtle would eventually shutdown was expected.

Hats off to them. I had fun.

jimbob45 4 days ago||
I’m pretty sure the myriad WoW Classics are money-laundering operations. I’ve known several guilds over the Classic revivals since 2019 and every single member is buying gold. The bots are egregiously obvious and Blizzard only patches the game if people are making too much gold, not if the bots are spoiling the experience.

It’s possible that Blizzard just happens to be incompetent in the exact way that would perfectly support money laundering but…big coincidence if so.

rincebrain 4 days ago||
It might be true that that's how most of the money gets made on them now, but famously for many years they refused to try to make such a thing officially, so I doubt that was the nominal reason to start them.

I wonder what makes botting that much more trivial/productive on Classic.

stavros 4 days ago||
No, Blizzard had to get it shut down because they're greedy bean counters. They could have spent less money than they spent on legal fees to hire the team and had them produce an even better version, but why do that when you can destroy things and replace them with mediocre slop instead?
tempaccount5050 4 days ago||
You could hire a lawyer straight out of law school. Litigating this would cost almost nothing, it's cut and dried obvious copyright/trademark infringement and turtle wow would be incredibly stupid to fight it. But Blizzard already has a legal team so it cost them literally nothing.
mock-possum 4 days ago||
Blizzard should’ve just shut down. It’s lived long enough to see itself become a monster.
somewhatgoated 4 days ago|
Blizzard died when it was acquired by Activision. To a lesser extent it died when they shut down Blizzard North
ting0 3 days ago||
Well this sucks. It's funny that Blizzard with its vast empire of wealth can't even compete with TurtleWoW.
Fokamul 4 days ago||
Private server exists because Blizzard is full of idiots now. My whole friend group would never touch anything managed by Blizzard, they're buffoons and all talented people left long ago after WotlK expansion.

Now Blizzard only milks current players(cows) and also let others to freely bot and sell gold for real money to people.

polski-g 4 days ago||
I have no idea why it is shutting down if the operator is living in Russia.
cbg0 4 days ago|
Perhaps they want to leave Russia at some point in the future and being wanted by the US government for not respecting a judge's order would make that problematic.
pfdietz 4 days ago||
It's important to understand it's not just the Turtle WoW people who violated Blizzard's copyrights, it's also anyone who played on Turtle WoW. They don't have licenses to use the clients, and downloading and running those clients is in violation of Blizzard's copyrights.

I wonder if Blizzard got a customer list from Turtle WoW as a result of the settlement. At the least, they could permanently ban any WoW player who also played on the pirate servers. Beyond that, they might even engage in large scale legal action, of the kind copyright trolls used in the past. "Pay us $5K and this lawsuit, which might cost you $100K plus your legal fees, will go away."

saghm 3 days ago||
I don't really get this logic. Why would they want to permanently ban someone paying them money because they also played on TurtleWoW? Isn't the entire argument they're making that TurtleWoW could be hurting their own sales? And given that Blizzard doesn't still distribute their old clients anymore from what I understand, how would you prove that people running the old clients ever even saw the licensing agreement? People can't violate an agreement they never agreed to in the first place. You might be able to make a case for people distributing the client, but in this case that's probably just the same people who ran the server.
pfdietz 3 days ago||
Why would they ban people who violate other terms of the EULA? And yet they do.
saghm 3 days ago||
Ostensibly because the terms are supposed to avoid making the game actively worse for other players like farming resources in a way that warps the in-game economy for regular players, or being blatantly antisocial in a way that discourages other people from playing (although it's kind of a common complaint that they're generally pretty sloppy at this and could do a much better job). Someone playing TurtleWow doesn't inherently make anything worse for the people who play on retail though, so I don't see how you can compare the two.
RandomGerm4n 4 days ago|||
There is no customer list. The only thing Blizzard could do is ban anyone using the same IP address as someone on Turtle WoW. However since NAT is widespread in many countries and many people don’t have their own IPv4 address this would result in an extremely high number of false positives. Not to mention that multiple people could be sharing the same internet connection. Besides there’s no reason to do that. Someone who also plays on the official server is paying for a subscription. Banning that person now would just mean less revenue for Blizzard.
pfdietz 3 days ago||
Presumably Turtle WoW also had payment details. If those match up with the IP of someone playing WoW, Blizzard has a very good case for action.

And yes there's a good reason: playing on a pirate server directly and explicitly violates the EULA. Blizzard bans people for violating the EULA all the time.

RandomGerm4n 3 days ago||
Only a very small percentage of players purchase microtransactions. In addition Turtle doesn't have any payment information because the transaction went through a third-party service. So Blizzard would have to take legal action against that service first. Also the server itself is not “piracy.” The server is based on VMaNGOS which is open source and contains no Blizzard code. VMaNGOS can be downloaded legally from GitHub. Turtle WoW created its own content for the server some of which runs on the server side and some on the client side. The only thing that is actually "piracy" is the distribution of the game client (which they unfortunately did) as it belongs to Blizzard.
Waterluvian 4 days ago|||
You don’t kill a competitor and then ban their customers from your product.
pfdietz 4 days ago||
If you can scare the hell out of other people from using pirate servers in the future, you could come out ahead. And the money from shakedowns could be quite lucrative, if the volume could be made high enough.
rincebrain 4 days ago|||
In general, "you are never allowed to use our products again" is a horrible idea in any industry where all the focus is around trying to get _more_ people to try them.

It's part of why a lot of places might ban your account but they won't ban you-the-person if you make a new one, necessarily - even if every ban was accurately assessed, shrinking your potential player base permanently by even 0.5% annually compounds really badly over time.

(The notable exceptions usually include things where they're banning you for exposing them to legal liability in some fashion, because the risk of you doing it again is so large.)

xboxnolifes 3 days ago||
So, kill their company by banning a large portion of their player base for no benefit? Why?
mjamesaustin 4 days ago||
I'm just over here holding out hope that some aspect of the agreement includes Blizzard taking control of the many assets the Turtle WoW devs created, and that they use those to make lots of new content for the upcoming Classic+, whatever that ends up being.
EGreg 4 days ago||
Is war2.ru next?

I'm glad Blizzard doesn't mess with servers of its older games. Warcraft 2 was such a classic! Even more than Starcraft. The original granddaddy that people play 25 years later. That, and Myth 2 TFL was my favorite.

lousken 4 days ago|
WoW servers existed for years, it's funny blizzard still tries after this many years.
Pay08 4 days ago||
Do they still exist? I remember spending a few weekends on them back when I was 13 or so and couldn't afford a subscription.
somewhatgoated 4 days ago||
There are still some (much less well known) around.
Nuzzerino 4 days ago||
It’s almost as if their sales are plummeting and they’re desperate or something.
ronsor 4 days ago||
Best way to solve that is to waste more money on lawsuits
wiseowise 4 days ago||
Oracle strategy.
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