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Posted by isomorphy 6 hours ago

A. J. Ayer – ‘What I Saw When I Was Dead’ (1988)(www.philosopher.eu)
https://web.archive.org/web/20190724072148/https://www.philo...

https://archive.ph/is0by

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u1hcw9nx 6 hours ago|
For Ayer similar near death experiences give more evidence for the afterlife. I admit that it seems better than different, but it's still incredibly weak and not unexpected. Dying brain having similar perceptions is not that unexpected. Just like machine elves are when taking DMT.

Ayer makes good points that evidence of dualism does not imply 'spirit' or soul dualism, or existence of a deity.

I011010011 6 hours ago|
Things that are worthy of discussion ( such as one in this posting ) rarely get any attention.
adzm 6 hours ago||
It would be helpful if the site wasn't down...
I011010011 6 hours ago||
I didn't have a problem loading the site. Odd. Try again later or something.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 6 hours ago|||
Is it worthy of discussion because there is something actionable in it?
I011010011 5 hours ago||
Yes.

Actionable: To Consider the significance of kindness, compassion, love to and for each other, which world, at large, is missing owing to many factors.

And to consider one's own superficiality and have profound thoughts for others.

tsimionescu 5 hours ago||
Why is that tied to some notion of an afterlife? If anything, it seems to me that the reality that this one life is all any of us have should make one care way more for their fragile peers, and for making it the one life they have count. As The Doors once put it, "no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn".
I011010011 1 hour ago||
It doesn't have to be. But it does indicate accountability, and some people do hope get away without it.

I can't think of a more important idea for a conscious living being than some hope for an afterlife, perhaps a better one than is here.

Most people resorting to and flood the discussion with rational X or Y are simply getting high off of their own sounds and are plain dishonest with themselves and others.

OutOfHere 6 hours ago||
What is of discussion here?:

1. Restaurants should carry an anti-choking device. Too many elderly risk a stroke without it.

2. People often do have a delusion or vision just before death, one that is a product of their own brain, fitting their understanding of the world. I had an incredible vision when I had taken half an oxycodone prescribed for pain.

3. There are more ways of expressing one's belief or disbelief in god besides atheism and agnosticm. Consider "agnostic theism" which means “I believe god exists, but I do not know that with certainty”, also "agnostic atheism" which means “I don't believe in a god but also say it can’t be known.”

As for any genuine otherworldly vision, no, I don't believe that happened here.

vehemenz 5 hours ago|||
Beyond the usual discussions of atheism and agnosticism, some would maintain none of these positions are possible to hold because they require a prior commitment to realism about ontological questions, and the arguments for realism are uncompelling.
I011010011 6 hours ago|||
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