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Posted by schappim 5 hours ago

John Ternus to become Apple CEO(www.apple.com)
989 points | 511 commentspage 2
comrade1234 3 hours ago|
Is this a reward for a job well-done? Because apple hardware for the last 5-years has been amazing. The software though has sucked - will it be more years of amazing hardware and shit software? In other words focusing on developers, especially of llm software? I'm fine with that. Maybe we'll get rack-mountable apple ai servers (joking - apple servers were great and lasted a decade+ but went nowhere)

Yeah, what's going on? I'm confused by this choice - I would have expected a marketer. Maybe they really are doubling down on hardware for the ai age?

zoogeny 3 hours ago||
I've been critical of Cook at times because I feel his vision was a business vision more than the kind of futurism I felt from Jobs. Cook was the ultimate bean counter, hyper-optimizing Apple from a financial and operational perspective. I felt like he took less risks and was mostly squeezing every single advantage that Apple had to its limit.

But I cannot argue with the results the man achieved. Especially the transition to A-series and then M-series chips has been an incredible success. Perhaps the biggest flop was the Apple Vision Pro, but it is hard to really call him out on that since it wasn't that Apple lost a battle, it was that the product category just hasn't caught on (yet). Siri is another place where Apple has lagged but they could very easily catch up with the massive interest in local AI on the mac minis.

I think it will be difficult to look back on his legacy without giving him a large share of credit for Apple's continued success.

bell-cot 1 hour ago|
Bold futurism can work very well when you're the (relative) scrappy underdog. So long as you're too smart or lucky to make any huge mistakes.

Vs. when you're in the Top 10 of the Fortune Global 500, "steady as she goes" business vision is the far safer strategy.

pzo 3 hours ago||
I hope Ternus can turn this ship. Apple wasted the last 5 years without any significant innovation/revolution or even without significant evolution. No groundbreaking change from iphone 12 pro in current iphone 17 pro.

Before we had many groundbreaking features that redefined how you use smarphone:

- gps

- flashlight (yes everybody with flashlight in the pocket!)

- front selfie camera + video calls

- compass + accelerometer + gyroscope

- good wide and ultrawide (video) camera

- nfc + apple pay

- fingerprint / faceid

- esim

- magsafe

Now you can have iphone 12 pro and don't miss much from iphone 17 pro.

ebbi 3 hours ago||
Every time I see this argument, it comes across as lazy. iPhone (and smartphones in general) are a mature product, so of course it'll be iterative. But you can't compare the camera from the first few iPhones to the latest ones. I certainly didn't expect, when the first iPhone launched, that the camera on an iPhone would replace my dedicated camera for 90% of my use cases.
celsoazevedo 2 hours ago|||
You make a good point, but at the same time, things are a bit stale if you look outside the Apple and Samsung bubbles.

For example, a Vivo X300 Ultra or Xiaomi 17 Ultra. Much better cameras, larger batteries, 90-100W charging, etc.

ebbi 1 hour ago||
Those examples are still iterative.

OP is alluding to the fact that Apple hasn't created industry changing categories like the iPhone.

lateforwork 1 hour ago|||
> iPhone (and smartphones in general) are a mature product, so of course it'll be iterative.

That's the kind of thing people say when they are out of ideas. The reality is that the mobile phone market was already a mature market, with Nokia as the leader, even before the iPhone was released. Then Steve Jobs showed the world how to innovate.

chatmasta 3 hours ago|||
What about Apple Silicon?
pzo 2 hours ago|||
yes they innovated with apple sillicon but I would say it only shines in macOS environment. On iOS / iPadOS it's completely untapped - like having ferrari with only gravel roads around.
Krastan 2 hours ago||||
Its been more than 5 years since the M1 came out in Nov 2020
adastra22 2 hours ago|||
Believe it or not, more than five years ago.
ValentineC 2 hours ago|||
> I hope Ternus can turn this ship. Apple wasted the last 5 years without any significant innovation/revolution or even without significant evolution. No groundbreaking change from iphone 12 pro in current iphone 17 pro.

I daresay the iPhone 17 Pro is a compelling enough upgrade, hardware wise. Not much innovation, but their phone hardware is very usable.

But I'd prefer if Apple gave up 2 years of trying to "innovate" nonsense like Liquid glAss and polish up their software first, just like the old days.

cheschire 33 minutes ago|||
The Vision Pro was a big bet that failed. But they tried.
1970-01-01 1 hour ago|||
Don't forget about the Apple Car. 100% of that failed, and Tim spent a decade on it.
n8cpdx 1 hour ago||
I think the satellite connectivity is a pretty big deal and iPhone led with that. Also camera control literally changed how I use the phone.
icyfox 4 hours ago||
So much of what Apple has lost over the last 10 years is a lower bar for what counts as good enough.

You see this most obviously in software and marketing - the kinds of decisions where only a few people sign off at the end, and where "good enough" is whatever those few people decide it is. You see it less in hardware and procurement where there's a powerful review cycle and scrutiny at every level of the stack. Work there is more immediately measurable: benchmarks for performance, dollars for cost.

The "vibe" of software, or of a PDF [^1], is much harder to catch that way. There's no benchmark that flags it and most conventional executives aren't drilling down in that level of detail to see it either.

You want distributed decision-making, of course. But that only works well if it's distributed to people who've cultivated their own taste and who will make good calls under pressure. I'm not sure how much of that gets fixed by leadership change at the top. Taste isn't really something a CEO can decree into a 60,000 person org. But I've only heard good things about Ternus, so I'm optimistic. Fingers crossed for a bright new chapter.

[^1]: https://www.apple.com/promo/pdf/US_FY26_Earth_Day_Promo_Tand...

mvkel 3 hours ago||
Cook is known to be monk-like, so the relative quiet of this announcement is no surprise. Hopefully Ternus takes some risks and revisits some things from scratch (the OS layer)[0] rather than continuing down the path of more service add-ons that Cook seemed to be excitedly geared up for. Personally, it's worth noting that Ternus did -not- directly oversee the Vision Pro, which is encouraging.

[0] As Steve Jobs said in 2005: "OS X is the most advanced operating system on the planet and it has set Apple up for the next 20 years."

How incredibly prophetic that 21 years later, MacOS is suddenly showing its age.

perardi 52 minutes ago||
I don’t know if I would go so far as to say “monk-like”. He’s a college football die-hard. But he is a very chill dude.

I wish more tech execs were in Cook’s mold. Reserved. Controlled. Calm. No Twitter beefs, no overt politics, no blow-ups behind closed doors.

torben-friis 3 hours ago|||
>Cook is known to be monk-like

How so? Genuinely curious, I've got no idea what he's like as a person.

BitwiseFool 2 hours ago||
>"I've got no idea what he's like as a person"

Case in point? From what I've read he's reserved, keeps a very low profile, and is dedicated to his work. We know next to nothing about his personal life.

wpm 31 minutes ago||
He reportedly had to essentially be dragged into a new home, as he was still staying in a small apartment nearby the HQ even after Jobs passed away. Dude just didn't give a shit about anything but Apple.
dlahoda 3 hours ago||
linux and windows are older.

and mac has ios, which with ipads goes desktopy. (capability based security)

mvkel 2 hours ago||
Right. We're not still running Windows Vista, or RedHat. Time for a rethink.
cocacola1 5 hours ago||
Off topic, but it’s amusing to see that 3/8 Apple CEOs were Mike, 2/8 were John, and the rest are Steve, Tim, and Gil.
fckgw 5 hours ago|
Apple is obsessed with minimalism so much that they refuse to hire any CEOs with first names longer than a single syllable.
pier25 4 hours ago||
John Ternus really did turn the Mac around. The last 5 or so years of the Intel era were a disaster. Hopefully he will be able to turn things around with software too.
voncheese 4 hours ago|
Yeah and with long development, lead and change horizons that come with hardware, that's a super hard thing to do.

Software is easier given the shorter cycles. Caveat is, the shorter cycles also benefit competitors.

pacifi30 3 hours ago||
Thank you Tim Cook, as I am writing this on an iPhone.

Is this a golden opportunity to take on the software side of Apple, native apps like photos and messages, notes app? So much good data we give to Apple apps sit their idling, there is a play here to turn them into an independent playable artifacts and shared digital human network company. My friend emma has her snack Game on! I would like to get a snack list derived from her snack data. Yes, texting works but there is no programmatic way of accessing each other’s data. I believe this data needs be freed from Apple.

Apple’s privacy approach is stellar, that quest though is a prison where our data goes and does a slow death.

adrianwaj 2 hours ago||
Any chance of a future where hardware can be customized at the design stage, like 3D printing but taken to an even higher level, even for 1-off builds? So prompt-driven manufacturing? For example, a watch with a USB-C port?

One day that watch could be your only PC. And then some type of eyeglass for a screen. Can also do "terrain overlays" Terminator style. I suppose battery power is the bottleneck so maybe long-distance wireless power delivery is the key (as what Tesla originally created.) So no battery at all.

dekhn 4 hours ago|
Prediction: Sundar will step aside and Demis will replace him.

(actually I doubt this- Demis does not want to run a big company whose main business is Ads)

lateforwork 1 hour ago||
Tim Cook stepped down when he hit 65. Sundar has 12 years to go to hit that milestone.
cubefox 3 hours ago||
The problem is that neither Sundar nor Demis are remotely as focused and competitive as Sam and Dario.
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