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Posted by ahaspel 20 hours ago

Britannica11.org – a structured edition of the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica(britannica11.org)
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Aardwolf 20 hours ago|
Very neat!

Some bugs I noticed:

Searching for Zurich allows you to go to the article for the canton of Zurich, not the city. Clicking the link "Zürich (city)" inside of this article, opens this same article again about the canton, rather than opening the actual article for the city

When viewing an article, the search for articles (leftmost search box) doesn't seem to work at all for me (in Firefox). When being on the main page, it does work

There's a small clickable 'home' button on the right, but muscle memory from how other websites work makes me expect that clicking the big title "Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th Edition" on the top left also goes to home

ahaspel 19 hours ago|
Excellent points. There are indeed two Zurich articles. One way to get to the city is to search for Zurich and open the second one, which goes to the city directly. The xref in Zurich (canton) is indeed a disambiguation bug (identically named articles); thanks for catching that.

I haven't tested the article search box on the article viewer in Firefox. I'll look into that as well.

Making the title linkable is a great idea and it will be implemented shortly. Thanks for catching all of this.

ternaryoperator 7 hours ago||
I have the hard copy of this edition and it does contain some curious things.

For example, if you look up "boiling." You might expect to read about what happens to a liquid when it's heated to a certain temperature, or perhaps a way of cooking foods, or sterilizing equipment. But the entry covers none of those. Instead, the only entry for boiling describes a punishment for persons convicting of poisoning who were, in England, dipped into a large cauldron of boiling water.

And, in the ways that violence and torture were wantonly reveled in centuries ago, they wouldn't just submerge the criminal and let him die there. Instead, they would lower him into the boiling water for a while and then pull him out. They'd repeat the process until eventually they finally killed him. That is the EB 11 ed entry for boiling. Yow!

lkm0 4 hours ago||
A very simple addition that makes casual browsing much more fun is to add a menu with adjacent articles, as is done in this reconstruction of Littré's 19th century french dictionary: https://www.littre.org/ (see mots voisins)
sammy2255 3 hours ago||
This encyclopedia is racist:

Mentally the negro is inferior to the white, The remark of F. Manetta, made after a long study of the negro in America, may be taken as generally true of the whole race: “the negro children were sharp, intelligent and full of vivacity, but on approaching the adult period a gradual change set in. The intellect seemed to become clouded, animation giving place to a sort of lethargy, briskness yielding to indolence.

keane 20 hours ago||
Beautiful work! This is an amazing resource to have online. Reminds me a little of greensdictofslang.com or of Webster’s 1913, a perennial HN favorite: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29733648
timciep 19 hours ago||
These projects came to mind for me, as well.

I actually took a recent crack at making a more modern website for Websters 1913: https://websters1913.timcieplowski.com/

masfuerte 17 hours ago||
That's lovely. I do like a site that just works without a pile of unnecessary js guff.

There's a bit of funkiness with "<?/" appearing here:

https://websters1913.timcieplowski.com/word/mathematic/

ahaspel 20 hours ago||
That’s high praise. Those are both great projects and this one is definitely in the same spirit.
golem14 7 hours ago||
It's very insightful to look up fission, fusion, atom and find yourself ... definitely before the great war.

As a time travel machine for the mind, this is great!

It would also be an invaluable resource for any Dungeon Master aspiring to lead a campaign at the end of the 19th century (Sherlock Holmes, or PG Wodehouse style, as it were), as doubtless many here are ...

peterldowns 19 hours ago||
I've been meaning to build ~exactly this experience, but for the 1952 Encyclopedia Brittanica Great Books of the World collection and its experimental index Syntopicon [0]. Would love to know more about how you OCR'd or otherwise ingested and parsed the raw material. I have a physical copy of the books, and I found some samizdat raw-image scans and started working on a custom OCR pipeline, but wondering if maybe I could learn from your approach...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Syntopicon

ahaspel 19 hours ago||
I'm familiar with the Synopticon, which would be fun to structure.

I didn’t do OCR myself, except for the topic index and to fill in a few gaps. I started from existing Wikisource text and then built a pipeline around that: cleaning (headers, hyphenation, etc.), detecting article boundaries, reconstructing sections, and linking things back to the original page images. Most of the effort went into rendering the complex layouts, and handling the cross-linking, not the initial ingestion.

Glad to go into more detail if you’re interested, but that’s the gist of it.

peterldowns 18 hours ago||
Ah ok thanks very much!
zozbot234 19 hours ago||
That collection is not in the public domain, AIUI? You might be able to do it for the Harvard Classics, which has a nice collection-wide index of terms. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Harvard_Classics has links to the scans.
peterldowns 18 hours ago||
Oh no not in the public domain, I better not build something cool!
yodon 20 hours ago||
The most important entry I found in my physical copy of the 1911 Britannica is for Eavesdropping[0], detailing the original historical origins of the term and how it was thought about just before our modern era.

> Though the offence of eavesdropping still exists at common law, there is no modern instance of a prosecution or indictment.

Thanks for posting this resource, I've often wanted to share a link to this and other entries.

[0]https://britannica11.org/article/08-0867-eavesdrip/eavesdrip...

ahaspel 20 hours ago|
That’s exactly the use case I had in mind. The 11th is full of gems like that, but they’ve never been easy to point people to.
8bitsrule 15 hours ago||
Some parts are ... amusing to read. For example the article on stars [0]...

"anything approaching a uniform distribution of the stars cannot extend Limits of the Universe. indefinitely. It can be shown that, if the density of distribution of the stars through infinite space is nowhere less than a certain limit (which may be as small as we please), the total amount of light received from them (assuming that there is no absorption of light in space) would be infinitely great, so that the background of the sky would shine with a. dazzling brilliancy ...."

[0] https://britannica11.org/article/25-0806-star/star#section-1...

Aransentin 1 hour ago||
The article about the Sun was quite fun; even though they didn't know about fusion, the article dismisses most theories about how it could generate such a large amount of energy (like chemical combustion or gravitational contraction).

IT says the most likely cause is some sort of "rearrangement of the structure of the elements' atoms" and "supposing a gaseous nebula is destined to condense into a sun, the elementary matter of which it is composed will develop in the process into our known terrestrial and solar elements, parting with energy as it does so". Pretty much as bang on as one could reasonably be given what they knew.

failingforward 15 hours ago||
Sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
arichard123 17 hours ago|
This is good. I picked up a copy of the encyclopedia britannica from 1973 and quite enjoy browsing that rather than the internet. The articles seem well written, and as mentioned here, you have the fact and the history and everything all mixed in to some articles, and it's super interesting.

I highly recommend getting an old set of volumes.

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