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Posted by dlx 3 days ago

Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training(www.reuters.com)
Alt link: https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/meta-ai/articles/exclusive-meta-st...
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alex1138 2 days ago|
Zuck's a sociopath
aanet 3 days ago||
> Meta (META.O), opens new tab is installing new tracking software on U.S.-based employees’ computers to capture mouse movements, clicks and keystrokes for use in training its artificial-intelligence models, part of a broad initiative to build AI agents that can perform work tasks autonomously, the company told staffers in internal memos seen by Reuters.

> The tool will run on a list of work-related apps and websites and will also take occasional snapshots of the content on employees’ screens for context, according to one memo, posted by a staff AI research scientist on Tuesday in a dedicated internal channel for the company's model-building Meta SuperIntelligence Labs team.

ALL YOUR DATA IS BELONG TO US

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Jerem-6ix 2 days ago||
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larrytheworm 2 days ago||
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arghandugh 3 days ago||
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Grappelli 3 days ago||
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onlypassingthru 3 days ago||
Is US mouse movement different from European? Is it called sparkling mouse movement if it comes from California?
moritzwarhier 2 days ago|||
US mouse movements are obviously very vigilant, some people say they're the strongest mouse movements ever seen.

Since this is a serious website: I'd be genuinely curious how mouse velocity and trajectories differ between cultural and environmental settings (apart from hardware, that's boring and should be normalized).

There was a time when studies made headlines that were exactly about the relationship between mouse movement, typing etc, and psychiatric disorders as well as physical health.

Obviously, both are related.

If you ask me, Ad tech would probably be able to tell your denominated faith using this data, when there's enough of it...

busymom0 2 days ago|||
Genuine question: would right to left language based interfaces have different type of movements and thus training data than left to right language ones?
oytis 2 days ago||
Not sure how GDPR could help. They can make generating data for their model your actual job as per contract I guess.
Qem 2 days ago||
I'm sure detailed mouse and keystroke data can actually leak health data from subjects. What are the odds one can detect early parkinson disease from mouse wiggle data? If such data leaks away health status, I think capture should be forbidden under current rules.
zingababba 2 days ago||
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instig007 3 days ago||
As everybody knows, key strokes and mouse movements are the things that solve problems, definitely the data worth capturing for AI training.
wolttam 3 days ago|
See: https://si.inc/posts/fdm1/

If they captured display output as well, it could be a very useful dataset for generalized computer use.

instig007 2 days ago||
They used to say the same thing about text, it turned out that after all training the best thing they could achieve is the `ccc` compiler.
bradlys 3 days ago||
Data collection isn’t new. The training is.
shimman 2 days ago|
You don't think collecting this type of intimate information about your employees as a major violation of the social contract?
bradlys 2 days ago||
I’m just saying that they’ve been collecting this info for years. Keyloggers, etc. are on all the computers you’re given. Employees didn’t have any expectation of privacy - just a hope. Now, it’s clear it’s completely gone and so the hope and goodwill is gone.
peacebeard 2 days ago|||
> Keyloggers, etc. are on all the computers you’re given.

I was curious about this claim and I dug up this article from 2024. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/software/internet-su...

It's an employee survey so it's not resistant to claims that the number is higher than people know. But I think saying "on all the computers you're given" is an exaggeration at best.

I did think it was interesting that "One in three [employees] have had activity from their employer’s online surveillance used in their performance reviews."

Sounds like if you're being surveilled by your employer there is a good chance you know about it.

I've never experienced anything like that, so it's sort of a window into another world from my perspective.

kpw94 2 days ago|||
Right, they're not the only FAANG company for which we know they're doing it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46318494
lifeisstillgood 2 days ago|
But this is a good thing. Let me explain. Imagine a society where an individual’s rights are prioritised and where society is dedicated to the best interests of each citizen (not desires or wants but reasonable considered best interests)

Now imagine a society where your individual daily actions are recorded, reviewed and helpfully advised upon.

Millions of people making millions of actions each day and all recorded compared and sifted for positive feedback and improvement overall.

Just how far ahead would such a society pull compared to one that stays at today’s level. Compared to one that used totalitarian methods enabled by such surveillance?

The difference between Soviet and Western Europe was not the tech, it was the trust.

If we can build a society with f trust then this tech will turbo charge us.

If …