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Posted by latein 3 hours ago

Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their(www.businessinsider.com)
93 points | 72 comments
raxxorraxor 3 hours ago|
If you work for meta you shouldn't have a problem with invading the privacy of others.

Of course this is not ok, but you should really quit your job if you have ethical or moral problems with that.

fhennig 1 hour ago||
Of course quitting can be in the cards, but I'd much rather see a successful pushback from meta employees against this new policy; maybe this could be a good cause to form a union over.
NikolaosC 51 minutes ago|||
Exactly. Meta spent 15 years mining user data and now mines its own staff to build the agents that'll replace them. If you're still there complaining about privacy, you're not the victim rahter the training set
newshackr 2 hours ago|||
There isn't exactly a surplus of jobs today. While some may have this option, many do not.
everdrive 3 minutes ago|||
Anyone who could get a job at meta has other options, I think this is why people are so confident criticizing. Outside of the obvious (and correct!) hypocrisy angle, I think this would be an altogether different issue if it were for grocery store workers, retail employees, etc. (or for a much more real example, Amazon warehouse workers) Those groups really might not have other real options.
spacechild1 2 hours ago||||
At this point, Meta's opinion on privacy has been widely known for decades. Working for Meta is a personal choice. There is no excuse.
physhster 2 hours ago||
^ this! Ever since the Cambridge Analytica scandal, people who decide to work there make the statement that they are ok with it. Same with Palantir, X, Grok, Tesla etc
spacechild1 1 hour ago||
Yes. It's worth pointing out that the Cambridge Analytica scandal was in 2016 - that's 10 years ago! At that point, FB resp. Zuckerberg already had a bad reputation.
Peritract 1 hour ago||||
That argument doesn't really fly for some of the most highly paid people in the world with at least one really big name on their CVs.

Everyone working at Meta has more options than almost anyone else.

the_snooze 31 minutes ago|||
Exactly, these are highly-paid professionals with very broadly applicable skills. They have the means to uphold professional values.
hirako2000 1 hour ago|||
That's a good point. The crux is privacy or half your salary.
glimshe 1 hour ago||||
Poor Meta employees. They are victims of the oppressive job market and are left no other option than to work for 100s of thousands of dollars per year in well-lit and comfortable offices with free food and premium healthcare.
none2585 2 hours ago||||
Eh - if you have Meta on your resume it's not that tough out there right now.
dccoolgai 1 hour ago||
TBH if I see "late Meta" or "post-Musk Twitter/X" on a resume it gets filed as "low morals / low trust".
ForHackernews 1 hour ago|||
Anyone working for Meta could have chosen to work elsewhere. You have other options (that might not pay $350 grand, but hey, that's the price of your soul)
Frieren 37 minutes ago||
> you should really quit your job

Stop blaming the working class. We need jobs to pay our bills. Regulate capital, force them to follow the law, force them to be ethical, and use all the force of the state for doing so.

To blame employees for the capital behavior is absurd and solves nothing. Put the high up decision makers in prison. Punish the real criminals and we will get back our privacy and our rights.

michaelt 22 minutes ago|||
Several reports say even a mid-ranked engineer at Meta can earn $200k in salary and another $100k in stock and bonus, every year. And that's not some rare, mega-senior E8 architect either.

Is there any point where a person stops being working class? Can I be chauffeur-driven to the opera in my gold-plated Lamborghini and still call myself working class?

fhennig 6 minutes ago|||
If you work to earn a living, you're working class. If you use capital to pay your bills, you're a capitalist. So I'd say someone with that kind of salary and stocks is probably halfway to not-working-class. If you already have 1MM in stocks then you're not working class anymore, you don't need to work at that point.
tardedmeme 14 minutes ago|||
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kakacik 12 minutes ago||||
If you keep expecting the morals should be coming (only or mainly) from the top, you get trump and all related shitshow and many other beautiful things. Thats not how healthy societies work, and same can be said about companies.

Somebody making 300-500k+ yearly is hardly working class, in same way bezos or zuckenberg are not working class yet they do spend some time working on their businesses.

We all make our choices in our lives and shape it accordingly, at least have a pair and own your decisions.

ramon156 25 minutes ago|||
Stop using bills as an excuse to be on the wrong side of history. Were the nazi soldiers innocent for gassing jews? Or were they also just "following the law"?

Being ethical is hard, but it's not an excuse. Yes, I judge people that work for FAANG, I judge colleagues for extensively rely on LLMs, and Big Corps for that matter.

> Regulate capital

How? Oh, right, by not using these products or working for the mentioned companies.

It's so easy to shift blame on other's and mark it as "not my problem lol"

yodsanklai 1 hour ago||
People are always keen on criticizing the EU and their regulations, but employees in EU are protected from these kinds of stunts. And also from the upcoming (rumored) layoffs which won't be nearly as cruel.
DoctorDabadedoo 1 hour ago|
Layoffs in EU happen all the same, they are just sprinkled throughout the fiscal year to avoid legal disputes due to the number of people let go.
yodsanklai 22 minutes ago|||
Correct me if I'm wrong but for Meta/Google, past layoffs in France, Germany, Netherlands were done on a voluntary basis. It also took many months between the announcement and the actual layoff and the severance was competitive.

One may argue that salaries are lower and there are less opportunities in tech in those countries - because of stronger regulation - but I think the layoffs procedures are objectively much more favorable for employees.

junon 28 minutes ago||||
Layoffs don't happen the same way they do in the US, at least in Germany. It's expensive to lay someone off due to dual-party notice period requirements. "At will" is a foreign concept here.
plufz 1 hour ago||||
Obviously it happens but I think you’ll have a hard time arguing that worker rights are as bad in the EU as in the US.

ITUC Global Rights Index (2025)

Europe: 2.78 Nordics: 1.0–1.2 Western Europe: 2.0–2.3

Americas: 3.68 United States: 4

I couldn’t find per state US numbers but the difference is obviously huge.

w4yai 1 hour ago|||
> happen all the same

No. They happen, but with a significant difference

ludicrousdispla 1 hour ago||
> The post says the software is limited to a list of commonly used work applications, like Gmail, GChat, and Metamate, an AI assistant for employees.

> It also says it only applies to computers, not to employees' phones.

What a great motivator for employees to stop using their work computers.

Mordisquitos 1 hour ago|
What a relief that it only applies to when they're using their computers! At first I thought it applied to all work at their desks: paperwork, typing, phonecalls, etc. That would have been crazy.

Does anyone know how many Meta employees use a computer, and what fraction of their work they do on it? It cannot be that much, surely.

codeulike 2 hours ago||
Is this like a game where we choose the next word?

Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their _______

Pets?

Hairstyles?

heresie-dabord 1 hour ago||
> Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their...

tolerance for abuse.

nnx 1 hour ago|||
Coincidentally this is how pretraining works :)
super256 2 hours ago|||
80 characters limit in the title.
ceejayoz 1 hour ago||
Yeah, but usually folks tweak to paraphrase, instead of lopping off.

I'd have gone with "Meta employees up in arms over mandatory program to train AI on their keystrokes".

xnorswap 1 hour ago||
You can squeeze it into half that length with, "Meta staff fury at Big Brother AI scheme"
brightbeige 54 minutes ago||
"Meta staff angry at AI"
Havoc 1 hour ago|||
Cunning plan to collect more LLM training data ;)
chrisjj 1 hour ago|||
Bathroom usage.
dist-epoch 1 hour ago|||
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TacticalCoder 2 hours ago||
I thought it was "arms"? Although I take it that then the sentence should have ended with "theirs" and not "their"?
yubblegum 2 hours ago||
Oddly enough was watching Colossus: The Forbin Project. One of those mid 70s scifi flicks. At some point, their AI demanded that its creator be under 24/7 audio-visiual surveillance (including bathroom time, yes).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project

p.s. was just reading the wiki plot summary and lol'ing at this bit: "Colossus has the responsible programmers summarily executed outside their workplace, left laying 24 hours, and cremated. Colossus also names their replacements. " -- karma is a bitch, indeed.

notabotiswear 2 hours ago||
>"This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?"

Karma’s a b*tch, innit?

thedevilslawyer 2 hours ago||
A better reply would have been:

> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?"

>> Opt-out is as simple as sending in your resignation to your manager.

dist-epoch 1 hour ago||
Typical Meta employee:

> I can't hear you over the sound of the millions I'm making at Meta.

sys_64738 46 minutes ago||
Facebook employees forced their algorithms on the public at large and now the company is doing the same. What did you think would happen when you are employed by an adware company?
aldielshala 26 minutes ago||
Everyone's focused on Meta employees, but the real concern is normalization. If Meta does this and gets away with it, some companies may quietly roll out the same thing.
moregrist 47 minutes ago||
I understand the schadenfreude people are feeling here. It certainly feels like a fitting outcome for people who work for a company with the morals of Meta.

But I hope they successfully push back against it. I don’t want this kind of behavior normalized.

pluc 2 hours ago|
So they do treat their employees like their users
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