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Posted by Kaibeezy 1 day ago

Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price(wheelfront.com)
2146 points | 734 commentspage 7
fchicken 1 day ago|
Tech will consume itself.

It is with glee that I will watch it burn.

sl-1 18 hours ago|
Sadly it will also burn other stuff around. If it would only eat itself, I would watch with glee. But when it eats the life-sphere and our lifesupport before, I feel less gleeful
fchicken 14 hours ago||
Life-sphere will learn a valuable lesson
water-drummer 1 day ago||
So better and cheaper? I am no farmer but I'd like to have one
mattas 1 day ago||
This is pretty cool! Kinda similar to what Slate is doing with cars.
toast0 1 day ago||
What Slate is hyping that they'll do with small trucks.

We'll see what, if anything, actually becomes available.

mattas 1 day ago||
Agreed. Hopefully something materializes but who knows. These tractors actually exist.
giacomoforte 1 day ago||
Why not buy a used one?
bennettnate5 1 day ago|||
The market for used tractors went through the roof years ago--20 to 40 year old tractors with tens of thousands of miles on them sell for not so far from new prices because farmers value being able to fix them without paying $$$
moralestapia 1 day ago|||
Why not having options?
inatreecrown2 20 hours ago||
They should really choose better words for the headline. There is no such thing as a "No-Tech Tractor".
holysantamaria 1 day ago||
What prevents these no tech tractors to be electric?
coryrc 1 day ago||
They get used in burst cycles -- like 10 days straight at harvest time, other times not started for months. Battery cost per kwh used is very low amortized over its full lifespan, but if you only use it to 1% of its capability your costs are now 100x higher.

Now, hang a high voltage wire down from a big-ass catenary, so you don't need batteries, and it'll be cheaper upfront and in use, but nobody does that because of 1. safety 2. if everybody did it the grid would need upgrades

opengrass 1 day ago|||
October to April in Saskatchewan.
asadotzler 1 day ago|||
Almost certainly it's energy density for long running, high load usage.

If a family car energy usage is 1x, then a light duty truck is about 1.5x, and a heavy duty truck doing hauling or towing is about 4x. A medium sized farm tractor would probably be 20x or more.

In that light, it's not hard to see how cars and light trucks could fare well with today's battery energy density, while heavy duty trucks are at the limits. For a tractor, it's not even close.

I do think we'll see smaller tractors going electric in about 10-15 years.

folmar 7 hours ago|||
Heavy duty trucks run well on electric in the EU at least, as the work time regulation make for regular charging and lower speed limits for trucks makes the consumption manageable.
bluGill 1 day ago|||
For small tractors many only use them for an hour per day - often mowing the lawn once a week. I have used mine all day cutting wood - and only but 15 minutes on the engine (the rest was me running the chain saw of loading something by hand).

Which is to say an electric tractor would be great for me, but for most farmers useless.

yufiz 1 day ago||
farmers still need tech, they should try provide software (not too much). just the prefect amount and don't become evil like deere.
steve1977 1 day ago||
No-tech tractor seems to be a bit of an oxymoron.
darepublic 22 hours ago||
this is a great move. Hoping the best for this company
jonahs197 22 hours ago||
Butlerian Jihad now.
api 16 hours ago|
I’ve always thought if we met super advanced aliens they would be… no more advanced than needed. In each domain they would use only the most complex thing needed to accomplish a task and no more.

100 years ago I might cook in a cast iron pan and use a slide rule to compute.

Now I cook in a cast iron pan and use a 5nm scale multi core CPU to compute.

In 100 years I might cook in a cast iron pan and use a topological quantum computer to compute. In my home in a spinning city at a Lunar LaGrange point.

We are in the try everything with everything phase of early technological development.

mwcampbell 14 hours ago||
IMO the word "compute" is too generic here. To me, the most valuable thing that personal computers have brought us so far is the ability to communicate smoothly across (dis)abilities through digital text. Think of a blind student writing an assignment that can be read by a sighted teacher, or a sighted student and a blind teacher, with no transcriber mediating between them, and a blind writer being able to know what they're actually writing and correct it (as opposed to, say, using a typewriter blind). We should be able to do that, with a variety of assistive technologies for different disabilities, with far less computing power than we're using now. Edit to add: And indeed we did, decades ago, including in battery-powered devices. But now we're convinced that our "one device" needs to be able to do everything, thus it needs to have as much computing power as modewrn technology allows.

Edit 2 to add: I think it's important to be specific about what the computing is for. If you just need to solve a small number of equations, then yes, you can do that with a slide rule. But in the written communication case above, the computing is only useful when done with at least the speed of an early microcomputer and paired with digital storage and/or networking and a variety of I/O devices. Still, we don't strictly need our modern supercomputers for that use case, except that it's now considered weird and limiting to use anything less. Also, I bring up the written communication use case because there is a rising backlash against allowing personal computers at all in certain contexts, such as education, because of AI-based cheating. I don't want disabled people like me to lose what we've gained from personal computing in the specific use case I described above. Maybe the solution is to normalize using less than a maximally powerful, Internet-connected personal computer in such contexts.

happyopossum 10 hours ago||
> I might cook in a cast iron pan

And how are you heating that pan? 100 years ago it was fire (wood mostly), today it's gas or electric resistance (mostly, induction is growing though) - what will it be in 100 years?

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