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Posted by jen729w 1 day ago

MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be(craigmod.com)
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ayaros 5 hours ago|
Can someone who personally knows John Ternus please send this essay to him? And can they do it immediately? (...and tell him to implement this business plan)
reacharavindh 1 day ago||
The part that makes ipadOS feels like a toy is Apple’s iron grip in “App Store only” app delivery. The thing has so much power, but to do anything useful, you gotta play by Apple’s rules. All that dream of quirky, useful, innovative ipadOS leveraging apps would show up if they relinquished that software control and let indie or otherwise apps get there without the Apple Tax both in money and rules.

Would the iPad still be that days long, cohesive device is another story.. it Apple cannot have their cake and eat it too.

musictubes 4 hours ago||
Audio apps on the iPad show that this isn’t the case. The iPad has an incredible amount of amazing audio apps that simply don’t exist and/or are much cheaper than on other platforms. Some of that is due to the great audio performance from day one but a lot of it can be chalked up to the lack of piracy. There are a seemingly endless number of synths, effects, sequencers, etc. in the App Store. It’s a relative ghost town in the Android world. Both Mac and Windows are better environments for DAW work but the plug ins are uniformly (usually much) more expensive.

The console approach to software distribution is good for developers and in this case leads to better software for consumers.

bigyabai 3 hours ago||
The iPad's Audio Unit applications unfortunately pale in comparison to even simple desktop plugins. You won't find any Vital or Serum-killers on the App Store, and you definitely won't find software like full-fat Spectrasonics or the U-He instruments. The iPad can do some audio work, but once you stop using it as a digital 8-track or a MIDI machine, you are instantly outclassed by even a $300 Windows laptop running Reaper or Pro Tools.
musictubes 16 minutes ago||
The iPad excels in performance. Like I said, if you're using a DAW a regular computer is better. The fact remains that audio apps for the iPad are plentiful and cheap. The App Store only approach has made the iPad a more attractive target than Android by a mile. The iPad apps are also screaming deals.

Your comment summarizes the people's inability to appreciate the iPad on its own terms. "You can't run Pro Tools!" is such a silly complaint. Moog, Waldorf, Arturia, Roland, Akai, Eventide, etc etc etc they are all on the App Store and work very well by touch. There are of course a ton of indie apps as well. No, they may not be as "powerful" as some of the ones you mentioned but they are designed to work in a different way than the computer plugins do. And they are priced much much cheaper. Use a computer for computer workflows, use the iPad for things that it does better.

afavour 1 day ago||
I disagree. Don’t get me wrong, I want Apple to open up devices like the iPad. But I can think of few apps that would transform the iPad from “toy” to “serious” that are blocked by the policy. That transformation is largely blocked by the OS UI.
benoau 1 day ago||
Well they removed the virtualization framework and prohibit apps from using JIT, so you can't just have a "macOS" app (or Ubuntu, Windows etc).

They ban apps from downloading and executing code except for educational purposes - in fact very recently this has manifested in banning apps that use AI to build and publish apps - but it has always prevented VSCode and the like, at best you can have something SSH'd into something else. This also affects software that is extendable through plugins and addons.

altairprime 1 day ago||
This article makes me very, very strongly want Bryce 3D for iPad.

Everything about using that app was about trying to make you feel like you could reach out and touch the screen. Now you can. Its user interface was nonsenical at the time. Now a spherical marble is sensible. Tap an object, then tap and hold; use other hand to operate the three-axis arrow control bar that swells up out of the interface into easy to touch controls. When you let go, they pop with a little spray of tri-color paint and a few speckles get left on the user interface.

Seriously, we have done almost nothing with what’s possible because everything is either Word, Letterpress, Tabletop Simulator, or cross-platform port. Meanwhile there’s an engine in there powerful enough to run Bryce with realtime rendering, but everyone wants to emulate a sheet of paper rather than letting me do the most basic things.

We could have painting with a pen and controlling z-depth with a hand at the same time. Path snap to collision avoidance margins on a slider. Negative margins and a setting to define collision handling: do you materials simulate two oils colliding at their spline velocity? Do they intersperse and blend like translucent colored sand? How far after the intersection does the aftertint continue in the brush stream?

Instead, we have, courtesy of AI, U-turned the industry all the way back to text adventure games with sentient potatoes.

Sigh.

WillAdams 1 day ago|
Moment of Inspiration seems the most promising 3D modeling option --- done by the former lead developer of Rhinoceros 3D it's probably what I'm going to break down and buy if crash-and-burn on my current attempt to learn Alibre Atom 3D.
bnj 1 day ago||
This makes me think of the interface for one handed touch screen typing that was used in the movie version of Ended’s game; it stuck with me as an example of a more touch friendly flexible input mechanism that really challenged how I thought about interfaces. Someone made an open source implementation of it but half the battle is getting these idioms to take root. I wish Apple would experiment more with novel touch interfaces in the way the article describes.
jmyeet 2 hours ago||
So I agree the iPad range is more complicated than it needs to be but I'm not as enthralled by the Macbook Neo as the author.

For one thing, a base iPad is US$349. Sure you need a keyboard too but it is less than $599. And the core of the Macbook Neo is a previous generation iPhone chip whereas the latest iPad has an M14.

If anything, a better melding of these product lines looka a lot more like the Huawei Mate Book Fold [1].

My biggest issue with Apple's current lineup is actually Face ID. I dearly love my iPad Air because it's about the last Apple device I own that still uses Touch ID.

Nobody will change my mind about Face ID. It's terrible. I'm fine if others want to use it. But please just put Touch ID on the button like the iPad Air on every device, particularly the iPhone.

Face ID terrible for visually impaired people who have to look closer at the screen. This is a common cause for Face ID failures where you have to move the device away from your face for it to work. And you rack up false posiitves this way. Apple is way too zealous with how many false negatives force a passcode entry. I know in the Touch ID entry I barely have to use my passcode. With my current iPhone I have to use it many times a day.

And then Face ID just fails all the time in low light conditions such that you have to light up your face with an external light to make it work. The iPad's screen light by itself isn't enough.

So much for "seamless".

So if you solved this problem there's no real reason to separate the iPad Pro and iPad Air lines.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvXZQ4Tv-pY

ValentineC 1 hour ago|
> And then Face ID just fails all the time in low light conditions such that you have to light up your face with an external light to make it work. The iPad's screen light by itself isn't enough.

I've managed to unlock my iPhone in a pitch-dark bedroom just fine, for many years now.

It uses infrared dots, not visible light, unlike some of the Android implementations.

nayroclade 1 day ago||
I think this touch-only idea would be more viable if we had far better haptic feedback from screens. All the fancy gestures and fluidic UI don't help when your only means of interaction is pushing against an unresponsive pane of glass. Maybe something better just isn't possible, but I'd love to see Apple push things forward in this area.
ginko 1 day ago||
I just want a notebook the size and weight of a 10" ipad pro that I can run desktop software on. The Macbook Neo is 12" and weighs 1.23kg which is light but not "forget you have it in your bag" light.

It's frustating knowing that the ipad _could_ run mac os but won't due to intentional market segmentation by Apple.

musictubes 4 hours ago||
This is the what everyone that says they want Xcode in an iPad actually means. They don’t want an iPad at all, they want a super portable Mac. Every single complaint around iPadOS is from someone trying to use it like a Mac.

I do wish Apple would make an 11” Mac just so people would stop complaining about the iPad lol.

justinclift 1 day ago|||
I was using an old (2nd or 3nd Gen) Surface Pro for several months doing this, and apart from it being Windows based (ugh) it was pretty good. Until I dropped the thing. o_O

I have a Surface Book now, that I put Linux on for a while (bad idea, super flaky with Surface Linux). I'd probably recommend the Surface Pro again over the Surface Book, and just put up with Windows (ugh x2). Using the AtlasOS variant at least, so less crappy compared to stock Windows.

oldacc240419 1 day ago|||
It's definitely not ideal but the top model surface go 2 can be gotten for under $120 at this stage and will be somewhat usable for that with Linux installed

I imagine the surface go 4 with an n200 is probably a good bit better but several times the price; assuming it can run Linux

steveBK123 1 day ago|||
They don’t even make the 10in pro anymore. The 11pro is 1lb but the keyboard case your inevitably also going to want is another 1.3lbs.. so you’re back at 1kg total, and worse than a MacBook neo for MacBook like uses.
tonyedgecombe 1 day ago||
The trouble is that would mean adding touch to macOS. Judging by what happened with Windows and Gnome I suspect that would be regressive.
weevil 1 day ago||
> What does an LLM-first macOS look like?

Like a product I wouldn't touch with a bargepole.

rolymath 1 day ago|
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frisia 1 day ago||
No thank you to no windowing on ipad, I like having one app up for references and another for my drawing program :)
WillAdams 1 day ago|
Am I the only person who likes the concept of "Sidebar" and using an iPad (often w/ an Apple Pencil) as a second display on a Mac?

Let me do that w/ a MacBook Neo and iPad Air pair which look as if they belong together and which fit nicely into a bag and afford me the option of taking only the iPad Air and Apple Pencil when I want to travel light, and maybe I'll come back to the fold (the last thing I bought from Apple was Mac OS X Public Beta, before that it was OpenSTEP 4.2, and the last thing Apple made which I truly liked wholeheartedly was Snow Leopard).

Oh yeah, make the Apple Pencil work on an iPhone....

Instead, these days, I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10+, Book 3 Pro 360 (two of them, panic-bought a spare when I though the line was being discontinued, it's now up to a Book 5), Kindle Scribe Colorsoft (replacing a first-gen unit) and a Wacom One display connected to a MacBook (purchased by an employer) and more Wacom styluses than I can easily count....

The high watermark of my graphical computing experience was using an NCR-3125 running Go Corp.'s PenPoint w/ FutureWave SmartSketch when mobile, and a NeXT Cube w/ a Wacom ArtZ --- I've tried pretty much every thing in-between since, but when things were finally getting better, Microsoft did Fall Creator's Update and everything came crashing down....

I'd really like for Apple to make a device trifecta which I would actually be willing to buy.

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