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Posted by Vaslo 2 days ago

Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs(www.bloomberg.com)
https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/23/meta-job-cuts-10-percent-8...
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maxrev17 2 days ago|
Neckbeards’rein is over!
wolvoleo 2 days ago||
Again??? Phew glad I don't work there. I hate that constant worry.
rambojohnson 2 days ago||
and they're going to start monitoring employee keystrokes and mouse movements to train AI. good luck guys. save up aggressively now.
alex1138 1 day ago||
AI or not, I can't wait until the tech platforms decide they don't need any workers to actually, you know, work on their product, and so it gets worse and worse

Facebook is kind of a functionally useless product. The feed has always been a mess. You can get banned at any time, there's no account security, and so on and so on

Ancalagon 2 days ago||
Re:

> If America’s so rich how’d it get so sad

> https://www.derekthompson.org/p/if-americas-so-rich-howd-it-...

oatmeal1 2 days ago||
America is rich, but that money is spent on new problems we invented for ourselves. We subsidize farmers growing unhealthy foods, then subsidize buying those unhealthy foods through food stamps. Then we subsidize healthcare to address the consequences of extra obesity.

Single-use zoning makes it illegal to build the places people want to go within walking distance of where they live, so we spend trillions over decades building car infrastructure to allow people to commute. Of course the consequences of commuting by car is more pollution and less exercise, again causing health issues.

expedition32 2 days ago||
The richer a country becomes the more expensive everything gets.

The average house price in my country is now 400k eurodollars. And banks keep giving out loans.

adammarples 2 days ago|||
Huh, did anything happen in 2020? I'm wracking my brains trying to think of anything.
kartoffelsaft 2 days ago||
As the article touches on, it's not just about what happened in 2020, but why it hasn't rebounded. It's been long enough we can't use 2020 as an excuse.
honeycrispy 2 days ago|||
It's the housing prices and the affordability of life in general. We are all debt slaves now. I am 100% using 2020 as an excuse because it broke the market and sent housing prices up 50%+ in 6 months.

The fact that we are entertaining 50 year mortgages as a "solution" further adds insult to injury.

Nobody talks about how the "cure" was worse than the disease in 2020. Happiness matters and is worth dying for.

LogicFailsMe 2 days ago||||
Similarly, I roll my eyes when people still blame Ronald Reagan for the current homeless situation in California. There's been plenty of time to correct that mistake and well???

But honestly, IMO America has become a joyless, directionless dystopia of soma and bread and circuses in the middle of a geopolitical knife fight to define the 21st century and maybe even hit the singularity. I'm not happy with the current management, but it was the same unhappy bunch talked about here that decided by voting or opting not to vote that gave it a second shot. Kinda deserve this, no? If no, I'm all ears for your one weird trick to fix America, go for it!

Yeah I know, downvotes incoming for such heresy. If you don't pick a side, then what are you even doing?

adammarples 2 days ago|||
On the contrary, 2020 permanently changed the nature of many of my relationships and the same is true of everybody I know
cruffle_duffle 2 days ago||
Pretty much. Lots of people who really were violently supportive of those measures will never admit to themselves what a horrible, entirely predictable mistake it all was.

It absolutely destroyed a ton of very good things, perhaps forever.

lpcvoid 2 days ago|||
Yeah, also first thing I thought about. What a shit time altogether right now.
BurningFrog 2 days ago||
It's well known since ancient times that money doesn't buy happiness.
darth_avocado 2 days ago|||
That’s just what people with money tell the people without money to stop them from rioting. We have research that suggests that money indeed does buy happiness.

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/does-money-buy-h...

There are exceptions of course. Some people are just predisposed to being unhappy no matter the circumstances, but generally speaking more money directly correlates to increased life contentment.

saila 2 days ago|||
I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. As I understand it, happiness increases for most people as their income increases. However, this doesn't mean that a person is happy overall since there are other factors. So, it's not that money can buy happiness in a binary sense, but it's a factor and often a significant one.

The article even ends with this quote from one of the authors of the study (emphasis added):

“Money is not the secret to happiness, but it can probably help a bit.”

elektronika 1 day ago|||
> Specifically, for the least happy group, happiness rises with income until $100,000, then shows no further increase as income grows. For those in the middle range of emotional well-being, happiness increases linearly with income, and for the happiest group the association actually accelerates above $100,000.

Exactly. There are other things you can do to be happy and some personalities are simply miserable, but there's nobody who's better off with less money. I'd be curious to see if this holds in societies with better social safety nets for whom money isn't as directly tied to survival or options in how to live.

voxl 2 days ago||||
And it only takes an ounce more wisdom to recall this phrase: "Money can't buy happiness, but it helps."
tbossanova 2 days ago|||
Money can’t buy happiness, but being broke will certainly make you unhappy
renticulous 2 days ago||||
Money buys you Freedom. A much more general category theory type framing.
LogicFailsMe 2 days ago|||
Money fills your Maslow. After that, you are responsible for your happiness. And there sure are a lot of rich people who aren't very happy.
bsimpson 2 days ago|||
Or as Daniel Tosh put it:

"It buys a WaveRunner. You ever seen a sad person on a WaveRunner?"

hluska 2 days ago|||
These comment sections are getting more and more useless by the day.
snovymgodym 2 days ago||||
Maybe not, but poverty definitely causes unhappiness
gedy 2 days ago||||
Maybe but this happiness chart seems to reflect economic recessions (including some unofficial ones)
peacebeard 2 days ago||||
Money doesn’t buy happiness but it does buy groceries, day care, car insurance, etc.
testing22321 2 days ago||||
The thing is that Americans don’t have much money. A few billion and millionaires skew the numbers horribly.

The average American ain’t doing very well by OECD standards… literally bottom of the ladder.

ambicapter 2 days ago||||
Not if you pop in to the HN thread for that article, funnily enough.
lamasery 2 days ago||||
It sure as shit buys relief from lots of sources of stress (even little ones like "having, non-optionally, to track how many dollars of goods are in your shopping cart at the grocery store" or "having to check how much money's in the account before you start pumping gas") and credible safety from various very-real threats (e.g. homelessness, not being able to afford important medical treatment). Like, it's extremely good at that.

It buys actual non-hypothetical liberty, as in greater choice to do what you like with your time and your self. It relieves one from unpleasant but necessary tasks (by paying someone else to do them).

vonneumannstan 2 days ago||||
Not really the standard line anymore. https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/does-money-buy-h...
sdevonoes 2 days ago|||
And little money buys even less. What’s your point?
appz3 2 days ago||
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rishabhaiover 2 days ago||
I have a genuine dislike for all Meta products now. With time, their intentions have become much more clear and it was never to bring people closer or whatever.
mr_toad 2 days ago||
> With time, their intentions have become much more clear

Wasn’t the original intention behind facebook to accumulate a directory of hotties, probably with the aim of bringing them ‘closer’? They pretty much put it on the label; it’s not called personality book.

kokanee 2 days ago|||
My theory is that Zuck has profound imposter syndrome due to the public knowledge that his joke of a side project in college went uber-viral and he has had to play CEO dress-up ever since. He has been desperate to prove that he actually has deep technological insight with his big bets on wearables and the metaverse and AI, but the truth is that his entire dynasty is built on people's need to snoop on pictures of their crushes and their exes. I think the company has actually done some impressive things with staying alive via acquisition as facebook has rotted, but he wants to be known as a tech genius, not an M&A suit.
antisthenes 2 days ago|||
One can only hope that he just fully turns to philanthropy a la Bill Gates sooner rather than later, and gives up trying to "connect" people (which somehow always turns into privacy nightmares).
ausbah 2 days ago|||
you would think being valued at billions of dollars for over 20 years now would give you at least a little validation
mattgreenrocks 2 days ago||
Funny thing about internal work is that it cannot happen via changing one’s external circumstances. And it’s super tempting to numb it out with status symbols.

The evidence for this is rather plain to see at this point in history. ;)

trelane 2 days ago||||
> Wasn’t the original intention behind facebook to accumulate a directory of hotties, probably with the aim of bringing them ‘closer’?

Sort of.

Wikipedia @ 2:

> Mark Zuckerberg built a website called "Facemash" in 2003 while attending Harvard University. The site was comparable to Hot or Not and used photos from online face books, asking users to choose the 'hotter' person".

Britannica:

> Despite its brief tenure, 450 people (who voted 22,000 times) flocked to Facemash. That success prompted Zuckerberg to register the URL http://www.thefacebook.com in January 2004.

> They pretty much put it on the label; it’s not called personality book.

Wikipedia @ 3:

> A face book or facebook is a paper or online directory of individuals' photographs and names published by some American universities.

Wikipedia @ 2:

> Zuckerberg coded a new site known as "TheFacebook", stating, "It is clear that the technology needed to create a centralized Website is readily available ... the benefits are many."

[1] https://www.britannica.com/money/Facebook

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_book

falcor84 2 days ago||
While we're doing historical quotes:

"People just submitted it. I don't know why. They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks." -Mark Zuckerberg

swingboy 2 days ago||||
I think the “face book” was used prior to the name of the company for what you would call a college student directory. Like a yearbook.
tasuki 2 days ago|||
> Wasn’t the original intention behind facebook to accumulate a directory of hotties

Maybe so, but have you seen Zuck's wife? I'm pretty sure he could find someone hotter to date if he cared to. There must be armies of gold-diggers after him. And yet he seems happy with his imo rather plain looking wife. Well done them both!

selimthegrim 2 days ago||
I’m pretty sure she’s ditching him
kakacik 2 days ago|||
Its pretty safe bet to completely ignore any PR, be it meta, apple, google or whatever, and just look at past actions of company and owners/ceo. Shallow talk is very cheap, morality often isn't. Then no surprises happen, practically ever.
sevenzero 2 days ago||
This really should be a basic concept every human needs to understand. Public communication in 99% of cases is fabricated to please the masses, but usually hides a lot of the actual intentions of the communicating party. Whether it be advertisers, politicians, CEOs, certain news channels and whatnot. You can not trust public speeches without digging for some info yourself.
vovavili 2 days ago|||
Meta products are pretty good specifically if you're a business owner who wants to advertise his product.
hn_acc1 2 days ago|||
Now? NOW? Not 15 years ago?
fidotron 2 days ago|||
Going back to the G+ era, I remember even by that time the FB dev advocates (these existed) came off as seriously slimy, to the point that it was clear we couldn't have the Google and FB reps in the same room at the same time. (And the Google ones were much more good humored about this).

Admittedly that was just a couple of guys, but it takes something to be so obviously toxic yet still chosen to represent the values of your company at a third party.

Arguably the Google ones were guilty of naivete, but that's not a crime you'd want to punish too hard, and I was myself guilty of far worse.

da02 2 days ago||
What did you think of G+? I never understood it, but what would you have done now differently than Google with G+ (using your hindsight and battle scars)?
kryogen1c 2 days ago||
> their intentions have become much more clear

The hunter Biden laptop story was censored - including in private messages - and Charlie Kirk was shown being shot in the neck to death to children.

There's nothing else to say.

oxag3n 2 days ago||
Well, they could layoff 100% and world would be a better place to live.

It really sucks for software engineers though - first these companies made a hype out of "coding" and hacking to build those monstrosities, now they switched to squeezing the accordion to keep the music going. This is not the first time and I hope not the last one - just need new Yahoos of 20s to pop up.

doublerabbit 2 days ago|
> just need new Yahoos of 20s to pop up.

I'm up for building this. What dinosaur languages should we code this in? erlang, tcl and perl?

kibwen 2 days ago|||
You may need to sit down for this, but when Yahoo launched, TCL was 6 years old, Perl was 7, and Erlang was 8. Today, Go is 14, Swift is 12, and Rust is 11.
phyrex 2 days ago||||
You could work in Erlang, PHP, and C++ at Meta ;)
hn_acc1 2 days ago||||
I'm still partial to Tcl from years in EDA - sign me up..
rdevilla 2 days ago||||
Just use lisp.
lbrito 2 days ago||||
Haskell!
rdevilla 2 days ago||
Now that I think about it, the Haskell Report did come out in '98...
guzfip 2 days ago|||
Hey, erlang is brilliant
mlvljr 2 days ago||
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shimman 2 days ago|
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matchbok3 2 days ago||
These workers have a better gig that 99% of Americans. They certainly have "self-determination".

If they can run it better than Zuck they are free to try, believe it or not.

swiftcoder 2 days ago|||
> These workers have a better gig that 99% of Americans

Given that the cited 10% includes the folks who have to drive 2 hours each way to cook/clean in the campus kitchens... not sure that they do. Meta isn't all software engineers, by a long shot

wahnfrieden 2 days ago|||
Huh?
oytis 2 days ago|||
What would they do with this self-determination? It's not that Meta is producing something useful you know.
fl4regun 2 days ago||
maybe they could produce something useful with that self-determination? or are you being sarcastic?
oytis 2 days ago||
Meta, as an organization, is not designed to produce anything useful. If someone at Meta thinks they could organize a programmer collective that would make its members good (or any) money, they can just walk out and do that. Computers are cheap, means of production are not limiting people's capacity to earn living with code.
pan69 2 days ago|||
Elections for executive leadership doesn't sound all that crazy to me. With 30+ years in the business I have witnessed my fair share of executive whackos that wouldn't have passed a basic sniff test if they had convince workers that they should be the one leading them.
matchbok3 2 days ago||
We already have votes for leadership. It's called employment and market share.
hackable_sand 2 days ago||
Do you mean employment in a collective or as part of a union?

Also I don't understand what market share has to do with democracy. Is that some sort of voting scheme?

Is this a crypto thing?

krapp 2 days ago|||
>All the more reason why we need workplace democracy. The elites clearly do not know how to run a business and the economy is the final frontier for democracy to expand into.

One might almost say workers should... own the means of production?

oytis 2 days ago|||
Every programmer owns the means of code production (unless they forgot how to code without Claude). Turns out it's not necessarily enough to make money.
oblio 2 days ago||
Code production is not code distribution nor code advertisement, nor code marketing in general, etc.
oytis 2 days ago||
Yeah, that's the thing. You need the whole business to turn code into money, and you need this business to be run well, and either do what people with big money want it to do or to make lots of people with small money pay for its product regularly. Either way, it's not what autonomous programmer commune will do well in my opinion
bombcar 2 days ago||
It's usual for the programmers (or laborers in general, perhaps) to assume that their portion of the business does all the "real work" and the 60-70% "rest of the company" do nothing and add no value.
bee_rider 2 days ago||||
Although, Facebook doesn’t produce much, right? Some glasses I guess. “Workers should own the means of collecting data to influence people towards some sources of production” doesn’t have quite the ring to it.
readthenotes1 2 days ago||||
Workplace democracy would work better than democracy does anywhere else?

And, of course, every tech worker already has a vote. As the saying goes: they can vote with their feet.

lamasery 2 days ago||
It's a catchy turn of phrase, but of course a vote and an option to leave aren't the same thing at all.
jerkstate 2 days ago|||
The means of production are for sale, they can own them if they want!
skirmish 2 days ago||
But we don't pay for coding tools, we want them for free!
OtomotO 2 days ago||
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JumpCrisscross 2 days ago|||
We’re still on a startup forum, right?
mr_toad 2 days ago||
Are we though?
wahnfrieden 2 days ago||||
Are weekends off un-american too because it came from worker movements?

Re: replies that one day off has been around much longer. Yes that’s what changed - the change was for 2 days off.

BurningFrog 2 days ago|||
Saturday's off came from Exodus 20:8-11, about 1400 BC.
wahnfrieden 2 days ago||
Yes I know it was that bad for that long. The worker movement was to expand that to two days.
TeMPOraL 2 days ago|||
Saturdays are communist. Sundays are far-right.
mrbombastic 2 days ago||
What do i have to be to get Fridays too?
mr_toad 2 days ago|||
Be French, and get divorced?
selimthegrim 2 days ago||||
Muslim?
TeMPOraL 2 days ago|||
You can get one Good Friday a year if you live in a country that treats it as bank holiday, or is Catholic enough that it's effectively a day off, even if not an official one.

You can get extra Fridays off if you move to a country with bank holidays that tend to land on Fridays, which is correlated with history of either communism or organized religion (much like the weekend).

But, if you want every Friday off, your best bet is to embrace hyper-capitalism and worm your way money so you can have four-day work week.

(Easier to achieve than the legendary four-hour work week anyway.)

TL;DR: the more opposing ideologies you can simultaneously hold, the more days off in a week you're morally entitled to :).

matchbok3 2 days ago||||
Where is there a successful socialist economy that produces innovative products that impact the whole world?

I'll wait for you answer.

freejazz 2 days ago||
The thought that Meta has in any way benefitted society is objectively insane.
matchbok3 2 days ago||
Literally billions of people would disagree with you.

The arrogance displayed here is astounding.

And this is coming from someone who doesn't like FB or Zuck.

freejazz 2 days ago||
>The arrogance displayed here is astounding.

Projecting much?

matchbok3 2 days ago||
Nope. Thanks.
khriss 2 days ago|||
I know it's implied, but you would be wise to add a /s

Quite a few folks on HN have developed a remarkably thin skin and no longer make the most charitable interpretation.

OtomotO 2 days ago||
I refuse to do such things to cater to certain people.

Frankly I don't care whether I get or lose karma points, lol

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