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Posted by scubakid 7 hours ago

Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition(www.nature.com)
152 points | 86 commentspage 2
xingyi_dev 2 hours ago|
Whatever the case, a cup of coffee is basically what kickstarts my day.
sdevonoes 4 hours ago||
I must be weird, but coffee (or caffeine) doesn’t really “wake me up” in the mornings and I could drink it in the night and still sleep well. Because of that I don’t drink coffee; I prefer tea
opan 1 hour ago||
I find that the effects can be pretty subtle, and if I'm already tired there's usually no coming back. What I think has worked best for me is to re-up on caffeine a few hours before I think I'll be tired, or around when a previous dose is wearing off. Also, if trying to stay awake, food and entertainment are also quite important. If I hit a point where I'm hungry, cold, and tired, and going to the kitchen to eat sounds like a chore, it's usually too late for me. When the bed's closer, it's hard to resist.

I've also noticed that I have a sort of natural energy in the morning. I think of it as being similar to how a seed has enough energy in itself to sprout and then get sunlight. It's probably so I can make myself eat and whatnot. I don't really need caffeine to "wake up" as much as I need it to stay awake later in the day, and even if I do have a coffee with breakfast, I'll often get tired before the normal day is over.

vjerancrnjak 3 hours ago|||
I think this description is often associated with ADHD memes.

Falling asleep after a can of energy drink.

fedeb95 4 hours ago||
tea also has caffeine, although in smaller quantities. Maybe you mean that you don't care so you go by taste, just specifying because there's a common misconception about tea not having caffeine.
Lionga 4 hours ago||
Some tea has caffeine, most has don't.
pasquinelli 3 hours ago||
all tea has caffeine unless it's decaf. some things that aren't tea are called tea casually, but they aren't tea, for instance peppermint "tea" is not tea. by the same logic that one would call peppermint a tea, one would have to call coffee a tea. and beef broth.
majkinetor 3 hours ago||
That depends on culture. All camelia s. teas have it (green etc) but almost none of common herbal teas in Europe have it (chamomile, menta, sage etc.) They are not called casually teas.
pasquinelli 2 hours ago||
> They are not called casually teas.

are you saying chamomile isn't called tea but it's one of the teas without caffeine? if so that's very confused.

camelia sinensis is tea. when i said that other things are casually called tea, i mean that what chamomile tea, for example, ought to be called is a tisane or an herbal infusion. casually, people might call it a tea; some people are so casual about it that they think it actually is tea. but it isn't.

therealdeal2020 3 hours ago||
good thing I have claude to summarize this and quickly realized that sample size was small and nothing much new unless you are a microbiome researcher
reliablereason 2 hours ago|
If the effect size is big small sample sizes does not matter as much as otherwise.

You really have to look at the power analysis and the sample size together.

Saying this as a general truth. I am not sure about the power of the method in this papper, i only read the abstract.

poly2it 6 hours ago||
> ... reintroduction triggered acute microbiome changes independent of caffeine.

This sounds interesting. I've never really considered the constituents of coffee other than caffeine and what unique effects they may bring.

I wonder if I would experience behavioral effects if I replaced my coffee intake with caffeinated non-coffee drinks or pills?

kulahan 6 hours ago|
Studies seem to indicate that coffee is at least as healthy, if not healthier than tea, and I have not heard this about caffeine specifically (aka the same effects coming from pills or energy drinks).

One fun fact: we still haven’t figured out why coffee makes us poop. We’ve studied every chemical in there and can’t seem to find a link, but the association is uh… well-known.

hermitcrab 3 hours ago||
>why coffee makes us poop.

That seems to vary wildly between individuals. It doesn't have that effect on me.

neya 6 hours ago||
The only good thing that keeps me from collapsing into a state of limbo is coffee and now, even that's bad (seems more like a mixed bag, but still)? Sigh.
bee_rider 6 hours ago||
There have been positive and negative reports for a long long time. If coffee was going to kill us, I’d certainly have died in school!
anon84873628 5 hours ago|||
Don't fret. You're allowed to enjoy things that aren't part of the scientific reductionist longevity influencer lifestyle fad :)
antonvs 5 hours ago||
Nitpick: What you’re referring to is not scientific.
cyberpunk 5 hours ago|||
Maybe I have some neurological issue or something but whenever I quit coffee I find it extremely difficult to maintain any kind of motivation to sit in an open plan office and code. Coffee makes me a worker bee, I can understand why employers give it away for free.

So, the coffee stays for now.

neya 5 hours ago||
Yeah, exactly. I can totally relate to this. I have actually monitored my productivity on an excel sheet and the days with coffee win by a large margin. I am not sure if it's withdrawal symptoms on the days without, though.
kulahan 6 hours ago|||
Coffee in general is unreasonably healthy as a beverage. The overwhelming majority of science agrees it’s a quality health drink.
modo_mario 4 hours ago||
Non-industry funded science?
hermitcrab 3 hours ago|||
Relax. Tomorrow there will be a paper/article saying coffee is great for you.
fransje26 3 hours ago||
Did you know:

    By replacing your morning coffee with herbal tea, you can remove up to 87% of the little joy you still have left in your life.  /s
Keep the coffee buddy.
neya 1 hour ago||
Haha, that was a funny quote!
6LLvveMx2koXfwn 6 hours ago|
"These findings reveal previously unrecognised effects of coffee on the microbiota–gut–brain axis, suggesting that microbiome profiles could potentially predict coffee consumption patterns", or, perhaps, just ask the patient?
raincole 6 hours ago||
Could you elaborate on how to interpret your comment without it leading to anti-intellectualism?
6LLvveMx2koXfwn 6 hours ago||
It was a joke
colechristensen 6 hours ago||
You are missing the point.

If you can predict someone's coffee intake based on testing of their microbiome then you've proven that coffee intake has predictable effects on the microbiome.

The important part isn't predicting coffee use, it's just the proof that there's you can predict and perhaps control in the opposite direction leading to more research.