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Posted by calcifer 4 hours ago

How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences(nate.leaflet.pub)
106 points | 84 commentspage 2
oa335 1 hour ago|
Morality trumps sociability, something piece doesn’t mention.

E.g. “ when ambiguous, assume intent is malicious, ignorant, or amoral”

Most immoral actors cloak deliberately cloak themselves in ambiguity.

legacynl 1 hour ago|
> Morality trumps sociability, something piece doesn’t mention.

IDK if I agree with that. If you could dissuade a nazi by biting your tongue and keeping the conversation going, wouldn't that be the morally right thing to do?

> Most immoral actors cloak deliberately cloak themselves in ambiguity.

Yes, but that still doesn't mean you should assume everybody to be one of those 'immoral' actors. Assume that somebody is normal, if they do something that proofs they're an 'immoral actor', only then assume that they're being dishonest.

hoppp 3 hours ago||
I am autistic and asocial fits more than anti-social because I am not actually doing any "anti" behavior, just trying to avoid the beurocratic small talk and general conformist interactions
justonceokay 3 hours ago||
I.e. the things that make people become friends and feel safe around each other. As a fellow autistic person we should not be avoiding small talk, we should be learning how to better connect with those around us since we need more time and work to do so.

It’s easy to use a diagnosis as an excuse not to connect. But it’s a lame excuse. It is much more interesting to understand what tools we need to gain to connect with the world. Sometimes I need to be an anthropologist. Sometimes I need to be a crime scene investigator. Usually I just need to listen better.

When I was in a wheelchair I had to use ramps instead of the stairs. But that didn’t stop me from going to the movies

em-bee 1 hour ago||
i am not autistic, but i hate smalltalk too. i can't bear it. it takes all the fun out of talking to people and i feel like it's a waste of time. not sure where i am going with this argument other than maybe saying that it's ok not to like smalltalk.

maybe learning to be better at it would help, because the biggest pain and discomfort for me is that i don't know what to say and that anything i can think of feels meaningless.

i "solved" the problem by moving to a country with a different native language and culture. this raises the barrier to communicate and it seems to have an effect of curbing smalltalk.

while in a wheelchair, how comfortable were you asking for help? that would be the biggest challenge for me.

justonceokay 56 minutes ago||
As someone who used to feel like they were bad at small talk, maybe this resonates with you.

I wasn’t bad at small talk. I was bad at sharing my thoughts and feelings because it didn’t feel safe. As a result the only things that felt like safe small talk topics were the weather and sports.

Overtime I’ve become better at sharing my feelings, even if they are “embarrassing“. I ended up talking for three hours on a plane ride last weekend with an absolute stranger. We talked about the differences in our family dynamics, what cities we find it easier and harder to make friends in, the current state of our relationships and what we wanted out of them. All of that was “small talk” because we were just passing the time with someone we will never meet again. But the subjects were not small.

A side effect of feeling comfortable talking about things that matter to you is that it gives you a lot more motivation to be curious and interested in things that matter to other people as well. Even better, if you share with people more deeply about how you are feeling, they will be able to help you in ways that you didn’t even realize were possible

aqme28 3 hours ago||
Yeah, the behaviors in this post are more anti-social than asocial. I don't think it's meant to be about people who are shy, introverted, asocial.
theteapot 2 hours ago||
The first 3 points are solid advice, but the rest read more like a guide on how to be successful in the work place in my experience.
tolerance 2 hours ago||
I think that a willingness to interpret this as (good) satire can be used to indicate one's own level of socialization especially in adversarial contexts.
bighead1 2 hours ago||
a lot of these actually sound like good strategy for (upper) management, or those with executive aspirations (sadly).
sillywabbit 2 hours ago||
Assuming that everyone you meet is conspiring against you seems to be a pre-requisite to these. The feasibility of that is questionable.
themgt 3 hours ago||
(Cognitive behavioral therapy enjoyer l just cut off in traffic) Think positively. He is probably in a rush for a reason. Maybe he's late for a job interview. Maybe his wife is giving birth

Me: I'm da king of da highway

lwkl 2 hours ago|
What you should be thinking: Oh an unpredictable driver I should probably increase the distance between us.
em-bee 1 hour ago||
right, the reason does not matter. only my reaction matters. coming to a negative conclusion only induces rage. think positively but be cautious. it's simply self protection.
anshumankmr 3 hours ago||
I think this rather describes someone with a cognitive bias which can be cured rather than someone truly anti social (I know someone who I believe is anti social but they tick off a lot more boxes than this. There is an overlap for sure in what you described BUT its a lot more complex than this)
braiamp 3 hours ago|
Yeah, but many of those self-identify as anti-social rather than biased.
ghstinda 3 hours ago||
I like most people as long as they leave me alone.
perching_aix 2 hours ago|
The anti-social behaviors I'm seeing are a lot more primitive (engagement and reaction bait, and other "simulated conduct" as I like to call it), and the people engaging in them don't really need a guide. Sarcastic rants like this always strike me as somewhere between tonedeaf and insulting as a result. You know it perfectly well that it's those who should be minding these the most are the ones that never will (and won't even be reading this).

That said, if I may be so hypocritical to add to the list, the heavy reliance on pointing out fallacies is a pretty big one. A lot of the times it simply degenerates conversations into logical golf, with no semblance of trying to actually understand the other person remaining. Though in those cases, that intent was usually never really present to begin with.

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