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Posted by elffjs 14 hours ago

Google plans to invest up to $40B in Anthropic(www.bloomberg.com)
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dzonga 9 hours ago|
my take is Anthropic needs a large cash infusion since it's the one of the popular model providers.

if it runs of out of cash - then it's bad for the whole industry.

same as OpenAI. so all players - will provide cash & compute to keep them going.

sdevonoes 9 hours ago||
> if it runs of out of cash - then it's bad for the whole industry.

Why? I don’t think we would suffer if anthropic disappeared tomorrow

ares623 9 hours ago|||
Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Meta, Nvidia. All their stock gains in the last 2 or so years were because of the AI hype. And who knows how much money the borrowed and promises they made on the assumption that their stock will continue to rise in the same pace for years to come. When one domino falls, they will follow. So they have every incentive to keep the music going for one of their "friends".
goolz 8 hours ago|||
If Anthropic disappeared tomorrow due to running out of cash it would cause a great panic, no?
shimman 5 hours ago||
For who? A bunch of financiers that gamble with pension funds? The real panic is when they IPO and force 401Ks to buy into it.
andxor 4 hours ago||
You're so naive. It's all a big game of domino.
slashdave 9 hours ago||
They need compute
aucisson_masque 7 hours ago||
Is anthropic really that good when you got deepseel V4 that has a fraction of the cost and works just as good ?
dzhiurgis 7 hours ago|
I think their cli still leading for some reason.

Not sure if it’s going to be good enough to replace IDEs with neatly integrated superior models.

gigatexal 9 hours ago||
"The Alphabet subsidiary is committing to invest $10 billion now, at a $350 billion valuation for Anthropic, with another $30 billion to follow if Anthropic hits certain performance targets, according to Anthropic."

this is insane. on the secondary market the valuation is 2-3x that. what gives?

panarky 9 hours ago||
Anthropic raised $30 billion at a $350 billion valuation (pre-money) in February.

Google's deal from prior rounds likely lets them buy in at the same valuation other investors get every round, so they're just getting the February valuation.

Amazon did almost the same thing last week, at the same valuation.

lanthissa 9 hours ago|||
Googles giving them something thats a lot more scares to them then dollars, large volumes of chips quickly.

If you gave anthropic 10b cash they couldn't get chips in the 0-6mo timeframe at scale. Anthropic is suffering reputational damage due to choices they have to make around capacity constraints.

Google, AWS, and Azure are the only people who can help them so they hold the cards, thus the good terms.

manquer 9 hours ago|||
The GOOG and AMZN deals announced earlier this week would be considered part of the same Feb'26 round. I.e. it would have the same seniority rights as that round.

It is not uncommon to keep a round open after the formal announcement for a bit so that few investors who could not close for whatever reason are part of it. It can be hard to line up everyone at the same time, especially when they are public companies.

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Specific to your point on why valuation can be lower than market at the same time - Goods(and stocks) while feel to be homogeneous, divisible, fungible, they are not. Size can value of its own.

A block of 10% shares may be worth more (or less) than unit share price, because them being available together has a property of its own, making it either more desirable when someone wants to acquire or harder to sell because there is not enough demand if all of them get dumped at the same time [1]

In this deal terms, just cause few ten millions are trading at $850B, or some investors can put in say $1-2B doesn't mean you can raise $40B at the same valuation.

There isn't depth in the market to raise $65B (including the AMZN deal) at $850B valuation. There is always some demand at any price point in the demand supply curve, you will probably find few people who will buy few shares at $10T, or $100T or some ridiculous number but that doesn't mean you can raise a large round on that.

Strictly speaking it is not even $350B per se, i.e. Google and AWS benefit from this as vendors. It very much like vendor financing with convertible debt. Meaning it is worth that much to them, but not to you and me because we are not getting some of the money back as sales that boosts are own stock.

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[1] In the same vein, price can also depend on what you are getting in return, hard immediate dollars is the highest value. However if you are getting shares in return, you can usually negotiate a premium depending on risk of the shares you are getting.

The recent SpaceX - Cursor deal is a good example, any founder would likely take say $10B all cash offer over the $60B from SpaceX, or price would be closer to cash if it GOOG, AMZN, APPL shares instead - proven deeply liquid market etc.

nly 9 hours ago|||
Top of the book? Nobody on the secondary market is investing $30bn
JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago||
> Nobody on the secondary market is investing $30bn

Correct. But I think $5 to 10bn are sitting ready for $700 to 800, which strongly implies Google is getting a solid deal on this.

panarky 6 hours ago||
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Handy-Man 9 hours ago||
That's the last round they raised at. They had other offers from VCs at ~850B they rejected. Seems like may have been in works since that last round was being raised and just finished paperwork?
htrp 13 hours ago||
> Google is committing $10 billion now in cash at a $350 billion valuation and will invest a further $30 billion if Anthropic meets performance targets, the report said.

How much of this goes back to Google as cloud spend?

dmk 13 hours ago|
Google investing $40bn in a company that competes directly with Gemini is one of those moves that only makes sense if you think of it as buying compute customers, not backing a competitor. Anthropic pays Google for TPUs and Cloud services, a big chunk of this investment surely has to flow right back to Google.
bobkb 9 hours ago||
I wonder what happens to the “Gemini enterprise”. Will it do a Google plus or Google wave ?
wasting_time 6 hours ago|
Gemini seems more tailored towards information retrieval and product integration (including Android and even iOS via Apple's deal).

Google may reckon they can't (yet) reconcile their vision of Gemini with the raw coding performance of Claude and Codex.

VirusNewbie 9 hours ago||
It's a little weird. I work for Google, but I spend way more time helping get Anthropic serving and running than anything to do with Gemini.
thatguysaguy 9 hours ago||
That's b/c the people working on Gemini serving are in GDM.
brcmthrowaway 9 hours ago||
This is a good strategy. Internal competition between Gemini and GCP.
munk-a 9 hours ago||
Anthropic, meanwhile, is spending hundreds of millions buying customer commitments from PE firms to inflate that DAU number. They now have a larger war chest to spend on artificial user acquisition to further inflate that value for future funding rounds.
neltnerb 3 hours ago||
At this point I'll believe it when the money actually moves.

There's been far to many "plans" and "commitments" and an awful lot of nothing actually happening.

alfiedotwtf 4 hours ago|
From a comment below:

> My main job isn't writing code but I try to keep Claude Code and OpenCode busy and churning away on something as close to 100% of the time as I can without getting in the way of my other priorities

I’ve seen many people say this the past few weeks i.e that their daily job now is no longer coding and has flipped to being a full Claude Feeder making sure its always churning.

As someone who uses Claude Code daily, I still find myself reading code and thinking more vs just shoveling coal as fast as I can into the Claude steam train. Am I doing things wrong?

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