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Posted by hmokiguess 4 hours ago

Google Flow Music(www.flowmusic.app)
95 points | 64 comments
adrianwaj 2 hours ago|
Why not call it Slopify? Humans are the new vinyl.

https://flippa.com/12100071 - I was wondering why SmashHaus was for sale. (no affiliation) Peak value. It's only downhill from here for outsourced music.

johanneskanybal 1 hour ago||
"Let's go surfing dude, we'll make some vibes!" This is like if someone lobotomized your grand dad and then created an tik tok account for him.
inerte 34 minutes ago||
I've tried and couldn't make it sound like Angine de Poitrine, it completely ignores the microtones. Sounds more like Polyphia. It does look like AdP is the answer to AI.... or we haven't trained the models with sufficient microtones, likely due to western music influence.
wxw 2 hours ago||
I asked it to make lofi cafe music and it just made a static web-page. When I asked why there wasn't any music, it said:

> My bad—I forgot to hook up the sound system.

And then it started playing jazz, which I'm not mad about. Nice to see Google trying fun stuff.

mayukh 34 minutes ago||
Wow, such hate for anything AI. I haven't used it, I don't care to. But I have teenaged kids and I've seen them hang and tinker with tech and ai. They seem to love it.

Sloppy humans create sloppy output. The AI is just an amplifier, it has no motive

Hammershaft 28 seconds ago|
I'm sure you're right that AI augmented workflows can (& do?) produce beautiful works that I would call art... it's just that the overwhelming majority of AI 'art' I experience on the internet is slop.
dinobones 32 minutes ago||
I've noticed that all of these music generators suffer from something like "mean" collapse (as opposed to mode, you do get variance, but all results are highly centered around similar sounding songs).

The music is all just very average, it sounds like the most average song with the most average chord progression/drum pattern per genre.

I guess that makes sense if these are most likely next audio token predictors... but it'd be cool if there was a way to inject some type of creativity/novelty into these, or at least tune up the temperature.

Everything so far just sounds like stock library music to me.

digitaltrees 9 seconds ago|
Isn’t that what the billboard charts are effectively?
LogicFailsMe 20 minutes ago||
Seems to be where Udio and Suno were 2 years ago, but with a better initial UI than they had. I'm sure Google will discontinue this in a year or two. Suno has since pulled significantly ahead. This isn't another Songsmith, but it's behind the curve right now.
genewitch 1 hour ago||
it can't remix. even comfyui can remix on my desktop. I've used udio, suno, comfyui with the music generation models, and one other site that i can't remember the name of since it was through a friend.

They all kinda suck, you do have to run generation many times unless you're very lucky.

I and my friend wrote 10 albums between 1997 and 2007. we went solo for geographical regions, and i stopped writing music altogether in 2017 or so, only doing arrangements, mashups, mastering.

I can't use this google product to make a song. source for credentials is my youtube, soundclick, and soundcloud accounts, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXro-e0e7aA

and now i don't even know if i ever want to get back into music, because i can rapidly generate a "good enough for the moment" track, like when the south korean president tried to coup: https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/i-aint-even-writing-music-a... Oh by the way the lyrics are in lojban except for "... and the people were pissed"

the oldest stuff on those three sites i mentioned is all hand written by me over the years.

gtirloni 2 hours ago||
This website looks so terrible that I can't tell if it's really owned by Google or a scam.
breezybottom 47 minutes ago||
It's still better than NotebookLM. Google is really bad at following their own design guidelines.
verst 1 hour ago|||
Agreed - I have been checking to verify whether this truly is a Google service or just something that links out to generic Google ToS and Support pages. It looks suspicious.
giancarlostoro 1 hour ago|||
Yeah, I had to do a triple take.
fg137 2 hours ago||
And its animation is terribly buggy on mobile.
TheAceOfHearts 1 hour ago|
It's good, I have this song I generated last year with Suno which stuck with me and I just tried having Flow generate a variant and it was acceptable. Sometimes the lyrics get modified for no reason. It would be better if you could control emphasis by specifying tags or something along those lines, but it seems fun to play around. If there was an intermediate step where a symbolic or partial processing of your input was shown for tweaking, it would be immensely powerful.

One of the key issues that I encountered after a few song generations is that it feels very rushed, like it's constrained to this 3 minute limit per song so it forces every section of the song to conform to a very specific structure. I tried increasing the limit to 4 minutes but it still gave me 3 minute songs.

Honestly, I feel like this product is showing up a bit late to the party and it's not really feeling particularly innovative. There's nothing egregiously bad about it, but it doesn't seem to add anything new or special that I could notice.

I don't have a microphone hooked up so I can't try the voice interface, but it would be really fun if you could sing to it in order to iteratively compose a song. It could clean up your voice a bit and add music. Or being able to hum out a beat which it converts into a track which you slowly build up. Is anyone able to try if those capabilities are possible with the existing product?

Overall, I'm not sure if a chat interface is the best way to produce a song. It feels very restrictive to have full songs as the primary iteration mechanism. In a text file and in code you can inspect or modify different sections or components very easily. I think a more human-focused tool would provide an on-ramp towards full music production, where you can focus on the parts that you care about and enjoy, while the AI tool fills the other parts with sausage. Right now you can chat with the tool but it appears to be quite limited in the kind of changes that it can make.

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