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Posted by elisaado 6 hours ago

Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0(asahilinux.org)
328 points | 120 commentspage 2
giancarlostoro 2 hours ago|
Really hope that by the time all my M4 Macs are no longer updated by Apple I can just switch to Asahi and get a 1:1 compatible OS in terms of supporting all the hardware my Macs come with.
GZGavinZhao 2 hours ago||
It's always sad to think what more can be achieved / how faster we might've arrived at M3 support if Asahi Lina is still active.
bigyabai 42 minutes ago|
Lina got the happy ending. She moved on to apply her talent to bigger and better projects - the real tragedy is how many years of volunteer effort were wasted by Apple's opaque documentation.
jcalvinowens 3 hours ago||
Is anybody running Linux headlessly on the m4 mac minis successfully? I'm seeing them flying around used now at tempting prices...
seabrookmx 1 hour ago|
Asahi is still in the early days of m3 support. It looks like there is zero m4 support, so I doubt you can even boot on one yet: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/#m4-...
jcalvinowens 57 minutes ago||
I doubt it too, but I was hoping to hear from someone who'd tried it. I don't care about peripherals, even booting it without the storage with a serial getty would be useful for me.
ajdude 4 hours ago||
I'm glad they dropped the ban on HN readers[1]. That was my very first impression of Asahi Linux that I ever encountered and it's unfortunately what I think of every time I see it show up here.

[1] https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0...

confiq 3 hours ago||
Because they got a lot of trolls and Apple fans. The decision was not made lightly.
AussieWog93 3 hours ago||
Honestly, knowing what I know about marcan, the decision was probably the result of an overwhelming/strong emotional reaction.

Not to just shit all over him or anything, but it really sucks to see someone who is genuinely top-ten-on-earth when it comes to "real hacking" struggle so much with socialisation and mental health.

applfanboysbgon 3 hours ago||
It is weird to blame the victim for reacting to being harassed by a mob. That is a normal thing to have a reaction to. Perhaps rather than blaming people's social skills and mental health, we should instead blame the culture that normalises harassing people on the internet, even to the point of suicide (as happened in byuu's case). You are basically advocating that it is better for individuals to change to accept a shitty society as a given rather than advocating for society to change to be less shitty.
AussieWog93 3 hours ago|||
I'm genuinely unfamiliar of the harassment campaign that HN launched against him.

(I am familiar with some comments debating the validity of Byuu/Near's gender identity, and marcan's extremely strong reaction to that, but no actual harassment campaigns)

geodel 3 hours ago||||
This marcan person had problem with Go, he had problem with Apple fans, he had problems with linux committers, so much he left internet or something. To say everyone but marcan was wrong is just a kind of fanboyism and it hardly helps marcan.

This person liked to dish out as much as next person but display extreme reaction when served.

throwaway27448 1 hour ago||
Being harassed by neckbeards would drive anyone insane
panick21_ 1 minute ago||
No it actually wouldn't. As in 15+ years of Hacker News I have not seen the same so clearly it can be so horrible that it regularly leads to such strong reaction, suggesting that for most people this isn't nearly so impactful. And very few things described could actually be called harassment, mostly it was light criticism or maybe a bit trolling.
throwawaypath 2 hours ago||||
>It is weird to blame the victim for reacting to being harassed by a mob.

It's not victim blaming, marcan was clearly mentally unwell. He delusionally thought there was some harassment mob after him. After the fallout with Linux kernel devs, the lolipedo accusations, and him being outed as the vtuber Asahi Lina, he arguably did the correct thing: deleted every social media account and abandoned Asahi Linux. I hope he stepped away from screens and spent some time outdoors.

AKSF_Ackermann 1 hour ago||
I am not sure how what happened can be considered "being outed", the vtuber's puppeteer was obvious from day one to anyone who was paying any attention at all, it is just that a lot of people decided to uphold the kayfabe. (And I don't blame them, at least before the lkml crashout it was a pretty fun character.)
rowanG077 3 hours ago|||
This is not a dichotomy. It's not healthy to take random online comments to heart so much. It's also bad to make such ridiculous comments. Both can be true at the same time.
applfanboysbgon 16 minutes ago||
This diminishes what "random online comments" are. They aren't just text on a screen. They represent words that another human being has said about you. Often, words that will convince other human beings, who may take different actions or view you differently because of what they've been told, which will in turn spread virally and alter how thousands and thousands of humans see you and act towards you.

Humans are a social species. It is easy to say "just don't be social bro". When you are actually the victim of this behaviour, it is much less easy to shrug off. Having a bunch of people hate you and say horrible things about you hurts. That's not abnormal. That is perfectly normal. Is it good for your health? No, in the same way that somebody smoking next to me is not good for my health, but it's not my fault the person next to me is smoking. The blame rests with them. To some extent, yes, stepping away from the smoker is a short-term fix, although often an unpleasant one that impacts your quality of life in other ways (what if the restaraunt you like is full of smokers, what if the airport is full of smokers, etc). In the same way society eventually changed to discourage smoking around other people, we really, really need to change the culture around the internet, to recognise that the internet is actually a social environment, that there are real people on both sides of the screen. "Go touch grass" implies that the internet is not the real world, but it very much is, with real consequences, even if you can't see the other person.

rowanG077 6 minutes ago||
Of course it would be better if the internet culture could change and this would simply not happen. The belief that this will happen is also a malicious fairy tale to tell to people. It's on the same level as believing enduring piece on earth will ever happen. The only practical advise is indeed to insulate yourself to this harassment.

You also cannot compare internet harassment to harassment in real life. With one you simply have the option of turning of the fucking screen. Making a new account, not engaging with the toxicity. That is almost never possible offline. You must go to the class/job/event where you will be pushed.

alphager 3 hours ago||
How is that a ban?
yuhmahp 4 hours ago||
Fascinating project like always. Thank you Asahi team!
thelastgallon 4 hours ago||
Is there an equivalent of this for iphones so we can give them a second life?
nicoburns 3 hours ago||
Unfortunately iPhones have locked bootloaders that prohibit installing other operating systems. People have gotten Linux running on iPhones, but it requires jailbreaking and that has gotten much harder over time. And it's not really worth putting effort into developing an OS if nobody is going to be able to install it.
snazz 2 hours ago|||
You can run Android on an iPhone 7 as a demo, but not for any practical benefit: https://projectsandcastle.org/
Otek 4 hours ago||
Running what exactly? Older iOS versions? Android?
thelastgallon 3 hours ago||
Linux.
a1o 4 hours ago||
Does anyone knows if it runs on M4 Mac machines?
xeeeeeeeeeeenu 4 hours ago||
It runs only on M1 and M2. M3 is being worked on.
Kerrick 4 hours ago||
https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/
a1o 3 hours ago||
Thanks! That is a good page for me to monitor!
bishopp92 3 hours ago||
Genuine question: can't LLMs be used to accelerate this project?
worldsavior 2 hours ago||
They've really strict policy on LLMs. They pretty much don't allow using them, because the slop so much in this kind of region.
jojomodding 3 hours ago||
Nothing is stopping you from using LLMs when contributing to their project (I think). One reason might simply be that they would rather spend the (very sparse) donation money on anything else but tokens.
mal-cap 1 hour ago||
https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/

They do currently ban LLM-assisted submissions. To be honest, even if LLMs are technically capable of writing code that assists the project, this at least helps keeps the 'floodgate' closed for certain low-quality PRs that other open-source projects are getting.

dreamcompiler 3 hours ago||
I run Asahi (the previous release) on an M2 Air and it works great except for high power drain when sleeping.

I still want to run it on an M3 MBP so it's nice to hear progress on that is happening.

e12e 2 hours ago|
Do you use a docking station and an external display?
karussell 49 minutes ago|||
Not OP but external display only works via HDMI directly atm (m2 mb pro).
dreamcompiler 53 minutes ago|||
I don't. I never got into external displays because I travel a lot and write code in strange places.
raks619 2 hours ago|
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