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Posted by berkeleyjunk 8 hours ago

Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race(www.bbc.com)
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2026/04/15930-sabastian-sawe-sh...

https://news.adidas.com/running/two-adidas-athletes-sabastia...

316 points | 217 comments
nikcub 7 hours ago|
Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes.

Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1]

> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress.

Second is the shoes. Adidas Adizero weigh 96 grams[2] with new foam tech and new carbon plates

Nike and INEOS spent millions over years to get Kipchoge to a sub-2 in artificial conditions, and now the elite end of the field are knocking that barrier out in race conditions. Unreal.

Running tech and training have been revolutionized in the past few years.

[0] https://marathonhandbook.com/sebastian-sawe-arrives-in-londo...

[1] https://www.instagram.com/p/DXmvAUvkWaq/

[2] https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/gear/shoes/a71129333/sabasti...

edit: correct :s/calories/carbs thanks

PaulDavisThe1st 7 hours ago||
> could absorb and burn 100 calories per hour

burning a hundred calories an hour is trivial. Most people will burn 100 calories per mile when walking or running, and more if moving as fast as these athletes, and many, many humans can do this for far, far longer than 2 hours.

It's the absorbtion that's the challenge. Maurten is not somehow alone in the particular stuff they've developed - ultra runners are generally shifting up into the 90-120 gram/hr range (or beyond!), using a variety of different companies' products. The gut training protocols for this are widely discussed in the world of running for almost any distance above a half marathon.

loeg 6 hours ago|||
> burning a hundred calories

GP left out the units but is clearly talking about grams ("absorb ... 100 carbs per hour"), not calories (no one needs training to absorb 25g/hr). Carbs are 4 kcal/g. 100g of carb (400 kcal) an hour isn't replacement level for even casual athletic efforts, but it does mitigate the loss of glycogen in muscle somewhat.

wging 4 hours ago||||
I've read that even if you absorb it all, there's some question about whether it's useful. This Alex Hutchinson article suggests, among other things, that it may spare your fat stores rather than your muscle glycogen:

> Even if you can absorb 120 grams per hour, it might not make you faster. In Podlogar’s study, cyclists burned more exogenous carbs when they consumed 120 rather than 90 grams per hour, but that didn’t reduce their rate of endogenous carb-burning—that is, they were still depleting the glycogen stores in their muscles just as quickly.

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/en...

https://archive.ph/Vpk0h

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9560939/

loeg 58 minutes ago||
That may still be worthwhile if fat is harder to recruit than exogenous carbs.
bethekind 5 hours ago||||
Where does discussion on gut training occur? All I know is you need a 5:4 ratio of glucose to fructose? Then when you train, you use the gels and the more you do it, the more capable your gut gets at absorbing without distress.

Is that all the science to it?

chongli 5 hours ago|||
Wow so he was absorbing 400 calories per hour with this gel, but he was likely burning 3-4x that amount (or even more) while running 13.1 miles per hour!
brianwawok 5 hours ago|||
In a two hour race that’s still 800 bonus calories, that’s something.

The race to tolerate lots of carbs is usually something you think of in 8 hour Ironmans. The good part is you can do most of it on the bike, which is much easier to eat as you go. As far as I know, many elite runners were doing like 50% water, 50% sports drink and consuming way under 100g.

PaulDavisThe1st 3 hours ago||
> As far as I know, many elite runners were doing like 50% water, 50% sports drink and consuming way under 100g.

This used to be true, and is still true for many athletes up the marathon distance. Above that, however, the momentum has swung heavily to very high carb intake. Most (though not all) of the world's best ultra runners (we're talking 7:00 min/mile pace through mountainous terrain) are picking this up, with many getting to and beyond 100g/hr of carb consumption.

almost_usual 4 hours ago|||
Your body stores roughly 2000 calories in glycogen. They are burning calories but nowhere near the amount a middle pack would be at this pace.

So ~2800 calories of carbs with some fat being burned.

groggo 7 hours ago|||
One gram of carbs is 4 calories., so more like 400 calories per hour.

It was confusing when the running industry switched from calories to grams of carbs, but that's all anyone talks about now.

mbesto 6 hours ago|||
Because calories simply do not matter. At high intensities of working out, it's the amount of carbohydrates you can consume that allow more fuel to be burnt.

"In the aerobic exercise domain up to ~100% of maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), CHO is the dominant fuel, as CHO-based oxidative metabolism can be activated quickly, provide all of the fuel at high aerobic power outputs (> 85-90% VO2max) and is a more efficient fuel (kcal/L O2 used) when compared to fat."

https://www.gssiweb.org/sports-science-exchange/article/regu...

fc417fc802 6 hours ago|||
Calories do matter (obviously, as energy intake is the entire point) but as you note the specific form that the fuel takes matters. However "carbs" is a catch all that includes plenty of things that (I assume) would be of similarly minimal use in this scenario. The calories need to take a very specific chemical form for this to work.
mathgeek 5 hours ago||
The wording is certainly confusing here, but yes the calories don’t matter as much as the form. Eating protein and fats simply give you minimal useful calories during the race. Even most carbs won’t be useful if they are more complex.
loeg 6 hours ago|||
They're equivalent modulo some multiple. It doesn't matter which one we talk about, as long as we're consistent.
whycome 7 hours ago||||
It’s also confusing that most nutritional labels say “calories” (Cal) when they really mean kilocalories (kcal). And those are different from regular (‘small’) calories (a measure of energy needed to heat 1g water 1c).

1 food calorie as listed on a food label is enough to heat 1kg of water by 1c

schoen 2 hours ago||
This was the explanation for why the scotch and soda diet doesn't work:

https://www.futilitycloset.com/2008/11/16/the-mensa-diet/

(If the nutritional calories in the drink had been only the same number of thermodynamic calories, the drink would have been energetically negative for the body because of its low temperature.)

justinwp 7 hours ago||||
It's deliberate, because you generally do not want calories from fat or protein during a marathon or other running race.
tedggh 4 hours ago|||
I normally consume 90g of carbs per hour when long distance biking, so do a few other riders I know. No GI issues. I use Skratch some other guys like Precision.
dogmatism 4 hours ago|||
Yeah, I just literally use table sugar, which is 1:1 glucose:fructose. Maurten et al using 1:0.8, close enough! And I don't believe the hydrogel thing is any magic, just marketing.

But yeah, this is a thing. There is some gut distress for sure at higher levels of intake. See guy finishing second -- still under 2 hrs! immediately puking, which is fairly common at the high intakes. I've heard of Blumenfeld (the triathlete) taking like 200g/hr or more. Insane. Though he's had some epic GI disasters too, lol.

chantepierre 7 minutes ago||
The hydrogel textures (not maurten but naak, but close enough), for me, allow while racing to swallow a full 40g gel in half a second without feeling the sugary taste a lot, which is nice. Compared to thick syrup-like gels, it’s a way better experience in a marathon.

But I only buy for actual races, rest of the time, I do my own 1:0.8 mix with a bit of thickener, in soft flasks. Much more cost effective.

rpearl 2 hours ago|||
it is a lot more challenging when running than when biking. The jostling is not your friend.
nradov 7 hours ago|||
The leaders were burning a lot more than 100kcal per hour. I think you mean 100g of carbohydrates per hour.
brianwawok 5 hours ago||
Not burning, eating. They are eating 100g of carb per hour. Burning 1000+ calories.
addaon 7 hours ago|||
100 g of carbs is 400 calories, not 100.
tokai 7 hours ago|||
Pro cycling has been on the high fueling strategy for a while, with huge results for record times. Its a game changer for endurance sports.
lostlogin 2 hours ago||
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ekr____ 7 hours ago|||
Correction: 100g of carbohydrate/hr. That's approximately 400 calories/hr.
ChrisArchitect 7 hours ago||
Adidas all over this one https://news.adidas.com/running/two-adidas-athletes-sabastia...
canucker2016 7 hours ago||
The Adidas Adios Pro Evo 3 - https://news.adidas.com/running/adidas-unveils-its-first-sub...

  adidas introduces the Adizero Adios Pro Evo 3 – the lightest and fastest Adizero shoe ever, weighing an average 97* grams.

  The race-day shoe represents the culmination of three years of cutting-edge research. It is 30% lighter, delivers 11% greater forefoot energy return, and improves running economy by 1.6% compared to its predecessor - making it a record breaker before it’s even laced up.

  The shoe will launch with a highly limited release, with ambitious runners able to sign up for the chance to get their hands on a pair from April 23. This will be followed by a wider release in the fall marathon season. The Adizero adios Pro Evo 3 will cost $500/€500.

For other marathon racing shoes, Google says:

  The Nike Alphafly 3 is the lightest in the series, weighing approximately 7.0–7.7 oz (198–218g) for a men's size 9, and 6.1 oz (174g) for women's sizes.


  The PUMA Deviate NITRO™ Elite 3 is exceptionally lightweight, typically weighing 194g (6.8 oz) for a men's size 8 (UK)
andy_ppp 6 hours ago||
You can buy them in the UK soon, just £450 and I suspect they'll disintegrate quickly... https://www.adidas.co.uk/adizero-adios-pro-evo-3-shoes/KH767...
pcchristie 54 minutes ago|||
If anyone's interested, the shoe being purchasable by the general public is a condition of them being deemed legal for pros, after a crackdown on Supershoes a few years ago.

The other conditions as I recall are there is only allowed to be one carbon plate in them and a maximum stack height of 40mm.

It really is incredible that Nike kicked off this Supershoe arms race ten years ago and spent (presumably) an incredible amount on R&D, marketing and hype to try and complete the mission of being the first shoe to go Sub-2, and Adidas has pipped them at the last minute... twice in one race. Oh to be a fly on the wall at HQ today...

Though I assume they made a lot of that cash back in the interim selling these things to weekend warrior suckers like myself!

nl 5 hours ago||||
Most superfoam shoes actually last longer than older EVA-based foams:

> Improved durability: Supercritical foaming produces a more consistent cell structure in a midsole. This should translate to pressure and weight being more evenly distributed, which should lead to greater durability of the midsole. “We’ve done a lot of testing of what foams look like on a dynamic impactor fresh versus 300 or 500 miles later, and we see less degradation in those materials longer-term,” FitzPatrick says.

> At least in terms of the midsole’s life span, super foams may have done away with the conventional benchmark that running shoes last about 300 miles. “I think it’s a dated standard,” Caprara of Brooks says. “It’s an easy go-to to help simplify. But every foam is different, and it’s not just the foam—it’s how it’s constructed, the shoe’s geometry, the rubber underneath it. There are so many factors. If I were to tell you the Glycerin Max lasts 300 miles, that’s probably less accurate than it is accurate. It’s probably closer to 500.”

https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a64969945/secret-to-super-...

brewdad 6 hours ago|||
Much like the road bikes that cost as much as a sedan, unless you are competing on a world stage, these aren’t meant for you.

I’m sure someone will happily sell them to you if you enjoy wasting money.

helsinkiandrew 19 minutes ago|||
> unless you are competing on a world stage, these aren’t meant for you.

There’s a lot of people trying to get a 3 hour marathon or some other goal where chasing the marginal gains is worth the cost to them.

sampullman 4 hours ago|||
You don't need to be competing on the world stage to enjoy some of the benefits of Alpha flys or those pumas. 500 for the new Adidas does seem a little silly though.
canucker2016 3 hours ago||
While the foam may last longer than older EVA foam shoes, the outsoles of the shoes have gotten ridiculously thin these days.

The continental rubber outsole on these Adidas Adios Pro EVO 3 shoes are so thin (less than two sheets of paper, I think), that they don't even appear in side/profile views of the shoes. The outsole doesn't even extend the length of the entire shoe, it stops around the middle of the shoe. So heel strikers aren't welcome and will have loads of fun in wet weather. see https://www.adidas.com/us/adizero-adios-pro-evo-3/KH7678.htm...

In general, these high stack, forward-leaning shoes are meant for going straight ahead - imagine ladies' high heel shoes with an inch and a half of foam on the bottom - any sharp turns will force the runner to slow down or they'll twist their ankles. Looking at the London Marathon course, https://www.londonmarathonevents.co.uk/london-marathon/cours..., there's about twenty ninety-degree or sharper turns.

signorovitch 6 hours ago||
Feel a bit bad for Yomif Kejelcha who also broke the 2-hour mark, with this being his first competition marathon, but managed to neither break a record nor win.
glenngillen 1 hour ago||
But he has the best average time of any competitor in the history of the event! ;)
darth_avocado 5 hours ago|||
While I know competitors want to always strive to be the best, as a completely normal human who struggles to complete a half marathon under two hours, I do not feel bad for the guy. He’s still one of the only two people to do it (outside of the very controlled run from Kipchoge). Not a feat to feel bad about at all.
cflewis 4 hours ago||
The majority of people in the world cannot complete a half marathon, let alone under two hours. I was pleased to train enough that I managed under three. You're doing great!
gregdeon 2 hours ago||
Sub 3 is incredible, congrats!
nerdsniper 4 hours ago|||
3rd place runner also set a new world record, but just didn't break the 2-hour barrier.
Aurornis 4 hours ago|||
I'll admit I'm not familiar with running, but in other sports it's not uncommon for amazing early career athletes to hold back a little bit on their first attempts.

It's easier to draw attention (and therefore sponsorships) if you leave some room to improve on successive attempts. It's riskier to give everything up front and then risk plateauing or regressing in your subsequent attempts.

parsimo2010 5 hours ago|||
While that seems like a bummer, as long as he doesn't quit he'll have many more chances to set the record himself.
MengerSponge 5 hours ago||
Real "Bad Luck Brian" energy

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bad-luck-brian

vessenes 7 hours ago||
Don’t forget Yomif Kejelcha who finished in 1:59:41, a world record up until 11 seconds prior. Amazing.
curt15 6 hours ago||
> Don’t forget Yomif Kejelcha who finished in 1:59:41, a world record up until 11 seconds prior. Amazing.

In his marathon debut too.

giarc 4 hours ago||
I read that as well... how could it be his first marathon? Or is it his first "big" marathon?
wging 3 hours ago||
It's his first marathon ever, but he's a very experienced runner. It would be hard to find a better prospect for a good first marathon. He's a multiple (former) world record holder and medalist at shorter distances from the mile up to half marathon. His half marathon is still 2nd all time.

I wouldn't have predicted this out of nowhere, but if you told me a marathon debut went this well and asked me to guess whose it was, I like to think I'd have come up with Kejelcha in my top few picks.

That said, great 5000/10000 athletes don't always have great marathon careers. An example from this race is the world record holder at both those distances, Joshua Cheptegei. He's run several marathons but none spectacular by his standards. He was in this race too but 7 minutes back.

ronbenton 7 hours ago||
Imagine having the second fastest marathon time ever yet not winning the marathon you ran it in
twobitshifter 5 hours ago|||
Apparently 3 people broke the record in the same race!
m463 6 hours ago|||
Nobody ever remembers who was in 2nd. sigh.
tim333 6 hours ago||
I think Kejelcha will be back.
spenjovewkwhalo 7 hours ago||
Posted to my in-laws, who asked how:

Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards.

Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective.

Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going harder into the hard stuff and knowing when they can back off and rest.

And to be honest, probably a metric tonne of PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) - unfortunately this is very common across all sports at the top level.

nl 5 hours ago||
> probably a metric tonne of PEDs (performance enhancing drugs)

Note that Sawe funded extra testing drug testing for himself for the 2 months before winning the Berlin marathon. The testing followed Athletics Integrity Unit protocols (so surprise testing etc):

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2026/04/how-sabastian-sawe-conv...

rao-v 2 hours ago||
This is news to me and genuinely impressive. Putting extra work into ensuring your attempt at one of the few records that will last the duration of humanity is damn smart.
k2enemy 6 hours ago|||
> Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards.

This seems unlikely to be true, although it is repeated in every article I read about carbon plated shoes. The people that study them in a lab environment seem to disagree. See some of the papers here:

https://www.wouterhoogkamer.com/science2

However, I agree wholeheartedly with the overall points in your post!

spenjovewkwhalo 6 hours ago||
Ooooh, interesting- I’ll take a read, thanks!

I’m guessing like most things of this nature, you’re likely to have super-responders, responders and non-responders?

nickcoury 2 hours ago|||
Yes, most of the studies show there is a very large individual variation. The original 4% figure and similar studies were an average of something like 1-7% across runners.

Also interestingly, the shoe in this record uses much less carbon than past shoes, both saving weight and allowing even more super foam where much of the energy return comes from. Though there so much variance in shoe design and materials there are only theories on how much comes from the plate vs foam vs stack height vs weight vs other factors.

giarc 4 hours ago|||
Maybe even placebo effect?
nickcoury 2 hours ago|||
Quite possible there's a psychological benefit from super shoes, they certainly feel fast. Though there are enough plausible mechanisms it's unlikely to be the major factor.
sampullman 4 hours ago|||
So you think the Vaporfly prototypes Kipchoge wore in 2018 placebo'd him into crushing the world record by 78 seconds?
fragmede 58 minutes ago||
There's an almost inhuman amount of mind over matter psychology when it comes to endurance running. Unless you can duplicate reality multiple times and swap out the shoes without anyone knowing to do properly scientific testing, we can't know for sure what did it. (The shoes probably helped.)
shusaku 51 minutes ago|||
> Better understanding of fuelling. … Better planning tools.

When I was young everyone acted like running was all about who could endure misery the longest. I think if I had known about these aspects it would’ve seemed more strategic and interesting (especially with smart phones to help). Alas, these days all my effort is in making sure my run doesn’t kill my knees :\

twobitshifter 5 hours ago|||
Well at least on the PED front, saw has been doing an extreme amount of testing to try to eliminate those doubts.
tejohnso 6 hours ago|||
> Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards.

I wonder where that leaves the barefoot movement. Hype dust?

riknos314 4 hours ago|||
As a 16 year wearer of mostly barefoot shoes, "barefoot" for me is about comfort in general day to day activity. It isn't a specialized tool and certainly isn't the obvious choice for extreme environments.

If I'm going bouldering I absolutely cram my toes into a tiny rock climbing shoe, because it allows me to stand on ledges I couldn't without the extra support from the shoe.

That being said, if barefoot generally feels good to you and you're not chasing the pinacle of performance it's probably a perfectly fine choice for your recreational runs.

dogmatism 4 hours ago||||
No competitive distance runner since like Zola Budd ran barefoot or minimal shoes.

The carbon plate revolution is the main driver for drop in times over the last 5+ years

brewdad 6 hours ago|||
Was the barefoot movement ever about running faster? I always thought they sold injury prevention by strengthening tissues that running shoes tend to over support.
nradov 5 hours ago||
Yes, that was the claim but it was never really backed by evidence. Vibram settled a lawsuit over false claims that their minimalist shoes reduced the risk of injuries. (I still like those shoes myself and use them on some slow recovery runs.)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27335251

chabska 4 hours ago|||
This topic deserves so much more nuance, but it's always reduced to "barefoot running doesn't work" in internet forums. In every articles about the harm caused by barefoot running I've read, those reported injuries all end up being overuse injuries. The article you linked is specifically about bone marrow edema, which is basically bone bruise. Other possible injuries include muscle and tendon soreness.

If this were a bodybuilding discussion, you would get advice on how to manage DOMS symptoms and how to plan your loading schedule, nobody would say that weightlifting "doesn't work" because a beginner got sore after lifting a 80kg barbell for the first time. But people has been conditioned to think that running is a purely cardio activity, so we don't talk about how the muscles and tendons in the foot need to be loaded up gradually just like your bicep.

Barefoot running is a weightlifting activity. Your calf muscle has to lift your entire bodyweight for the forefoot stride. "No pain no gain" applies. Proper posture and techniques are important. Proper workout schedule and loading plan with rest days are important. Sufficient protein intake are important.

proee 58 minutes ago|||
When Vibrams were first popular, I took to training with them on my runs. People told me to "take it easy" or you might get injured. I thought what's the worst that can happen? Well let me tell you. About a month into wearing them, I was doing a hard run and the trail had a section of concrete. My foot felt a sudden sharp pain and "snap!" I broke my 3rd metatarsal bone in my foot. Took a month or so to heal, and I decided to stop using the Vibrams.
mmooss 4 hours ago|||
> going harder into the hard stuff and knowing when they can back off and rest.

Why is going harder in the hard stuff and easier in the easy stuff more efficient or faster than vice versa? I imagine arguments either way:

Going harder when it's easy gives you higher ROI. Or maybe going easier when it's hard is just too slow. And maybe that is too simplistic: Maybe it depends on how hard; that is, maybe there is a threshold.

bigiain 1 hour ago||
Completely uninformed speculation:

Wind drag goes up with v squared, so power required goes up with v cubed.

If you run at 105% speed downhill,that requires almost 16% more power to overcome wind drag. You might be better off running at 100% speed downhill (and "saving" that 16% power), and pushing harder to run as close as you can to 100% speed on the uphill stretches that would otherwise have you running slower than 100%. The power used to increase your potential energy going uphill is "zero sum" because you get it back when you go back downhill -n there no pesky v squared or v cubed non linearity there (assuming the race starts and finishes at the same elevation).

jimt1234 6 hours ago|||
I thought those carbon plate shoes were barred from competition???
pcchristie 44 minutes ago|||
Posted elsewhere, they have tightened regulations to clamp down on the "franken-shoes".

40mm stack height maximum One carbon plate only (some shoes were including a second). Must be on sale to the public for < 4 mths before the race in question

Puma makes a shoe that's non-compliant with the above (two plates, not sure about the stack height), for what it's worth.

lukeinator42 6 hours ago|||
nope, nike vaporflys are super popular. There are usually limits on stack height for many marathons though.
thinkingtoilet 4 hours ago||
Can you not accuse people of cheating unless you have proof?
rhplus 5 hours ago||
Is there also something beneficial about the shirt he wore? It has a unique embossed pattern on the chest. Is it just a nice design or does it also provide aerodynamic or heat wicking advantage?

https://news.adidas.com/sabastian-sawe---london-marathon/a/0...

cevn 3 hours ago||
I can sort of visualize an aero improvement. If wind hits you flat on it goes all around and right against you, and it can bump into itself and then back on you since it's almost directionless. However if you have 'needles' coming out it gives the wind a 'direction' other than straight at you, lessening the pressure against your front.
double0jimb0 4 hours ago|||
Good eye! Almost like an inverted golf ball. If I remember correctly from undergrad aero, purpose of dimples on golf ball is to detach/disrupt more of any laminar flow earlier as air passes around the ball, which decreases drag. Golf balls travel way faster than a runner, but possibly still has some minor effect?
huflungdung 4 hours ago||
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dmurray 7 hours ago||
There's something about the London course today that made for very good running.

Three athletes broke the men's world record. One athlete broke the women's world record, and three were in the all time top 5. An Irish record was also broken, likely other countries too that I'm not familiar with.

Not to take anything away from the achievements. Incredible running.

PaulDavisThe1st 7 hours ago||
> One athlete broke the women's world record

Not so. She broke a record for a female-only-pacer marathon time. The women's world record was much, much faster.

ekr____ 7 hours ago|||
To add some color here: It is very helpful to have someone pace you so that you can run an ideal pace without worrying about whether you are running the right speed. However, the rules require that pacers start with you [0], which means that by definition if you are running faster than anyone has ever gone before you have to run some of the race alone.

However, because marathon are often mixed gender and the best male runners are significantly faster than the best female runners, it is possible for a woman to be paced from the gun to the tape by a male runner. For this reason, there are separate records for the women's marathon for women's only events.

[0] This is one of the things that made Kipchoge's original sub 2 result not record-eligible.

dmurray 6 hours ago|||
I stand corrected, but I don't think this changes my point at all.

She broke the thing that the IAAF have gone back and forth on calling "the world record". It's the relevant record for this event - there was no more chance of her beating the man-paced record than of beating the men's record or the Le Mans lap record.

tim333 5 hours ago||
It was good weather for London. Clear skies and cool.
bbcc90 5 hours ago||
I'm a runner, and it's a bit sad that distance running is not longer purely about the runner.

Based on the quote below, next thing we will see is a "constructors championship" similar to F1 for winning shoe constructor in the 'major' marathons :-(.

" This dominance continued in 2024, with adidas athletes wearing Adizero models winning six out of 12 World Major Marathons – more than any other brand."

and yes, of course i race in super shoes :-).

jfengel 2 hours ago||
The winner is doing a completely different sport from me. I never even see the winners at a marathon. They are long gone by the time I get to the start line, and they've gone home by the time I finish.

There are age group leaders as well. That's perhaps a hundred people, of the tens of thousands running next to me.

Marathons are about running my own pace. The fact that there exists a world record is a piece of trivia.

nerder92 4 hours ago||
It was never about the runner, it has always been about technology and innovation. Shoes tech is just one of them. Better nutrition, novel training techniques, better air quality etc.

Of course innovation in shoes will have a bigger marginal impact (because physics).

bbcc90 2 hours ago||
For sure but most of that innovation pre-super shoes was optimizing the runner, not the shoes
cowthulhu 7 hours ago||
Wow, that’s ~13 mph, basically a full-on sprint for a mere mortal. Absolutely insane.
PaulDavisThe1st 7 hours ago||
The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster.

Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

jmb99 7 hours ago|||
> Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

That works out to roughly a 16.7-second 100m. While certainly not crawling, that would be a fairly average pace for a fairly fit middle- to early-high-schooler with a bit of practice.

Yes that’s insane to maintain for a marathon, but it’s not even remotely out of reach for 100m for most relatively-fit people at some point in their lives.

croemer 6 hours ago|||
I think it's even slow for high schoolers. I didn't practice that much and ran 100m in 12.5s from rest at my peak. 4s slower is snail pace. I think most in my class could run that fast (or slow).
jmb99 6 hours ago||
I agree. I ran mid 16s in 8th grade, and was in the 14s in high school, with the only training being whatever we did in gym class. But I do also look at the sheer number of overweight kids these days and figured, well maybe mid-16s is actually a reasonable average point.
brewdad 5 hours ago||
Oh it is. At a typical large high school making the team puts you in the top 1% or better of athletic ability compared to the population at large.

At my peak, I finished the NYC Marathon in the top 2%. I still finished 45 minutes behind the winner.

It feels like elite athletes aren’t even competing in the same sport.

PaulDavisThe1st 6 hours ago|||
It's the "at some point in their lives" that matters here. For most folks, the period where a 16.7 100m is feasible is pretty short.
petepete 7 hours ago||||
There's an interesting video by Mark Lewis on this.

https://youtu.be/xkBmYQucyMs

hackingonempty 6 hours ago||||
Here's a random high school in Northern California. Everyone on the team is beating 16.7 seconds in the 100m. For the 1600m there are six kids with times under 4m30s and another seven with times under 4m40s, all in the last month.

https://www.athletic.net/team/770/track-and-field-outdoor/20...

* of course one mile is hardly comparable to the marathon that pros are able to sustain such speeds over...

sethev 6 hours ago|||
Not sure that disproves the point :) Most people have never been anywhere close to competing with the top 6 athletes at a high school with ~2k students.
hackingonempty 6 hours ago||
There are thousands of these high schools all across the USA. The top high schoolers in California so far this year are doing 1600m in 4m7s.

https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/rankings/list/168546/...

PaulDavisThe1st 5 hours ago|||
OK, so let's do the math. There's about 25k high schools in the USA. Let's suppose they all have a track team, and let's assume that they all have 5 team members who can break 04:30 for 1600m. Sure, at some schools that's too few, but at others it is too many.

That gives us 125k high schoolers in the USA who can break 04:30 for 1600m. There are about 18M high school students. So of just the high school population alone, about 0.7% of them can do this.

Assuming there are the 4x as many adults that can do this as there are high school students, that gives us slightly less than 0.2% of the total US population capable of this.

I rest my case.

maxerickson 3 hours ago|||
What do you want most to mean here?
hyperpape 6 hours ago||||
Unless kids have gotten a lot faster in the past 25 years, I think that's a lot better than a typical 2000 person high school.
PaulDavisThe1st 6 hours ago|||
How many kids at the school?
jonplackett 7 hours ago||||
Sometimes they have big running machines with a crash mat around them running at 2h marathon pace at running shows. I’ve o ly seen them on video - no one can keep up with it for more than 30 odd seconds. It’s INSANE they are running this fast.

Also bear in mind running a single mile under 4 mins was considered impossible for a long time.

acomjean 5 hours ago|||
We used to be amazed when I ran cross country in high school that these pro marathoners would best all of us in our approx 5K(3ish mile) races and then go on to repeat that distance multiple times.

It’s totally remarkable.

soupfordummies 7 hours ago|||
Yeah I can barely even ride my bike that fast much less keep that pace for two hours.
willsmith72 6 hours ago||
You must be crawling on your bike I'd love to see that
fredley 7 hours ago|||
He did his _last_ mile in 4.17. Insane.
mkl 7 hours ago|||
21.19km/h on average, or 17 seconds per hundred metres on average.
croemer 6 hours ago|||
No, it's slower than most people's sprints. It's 17 seconds per 100 metres which is slow. Most teenagers can do this starting from rest.
Cthulhu_ 7 hours ago||
I'm not a runner at all, but people say that they can do that for like a minute, maybe two at best... and these guys did it for two hours straight.
adverbly 7 hours ago||
Wait two runners beat it in the same race?

Was there perfect conditions.or something?

Insane you could run 1:59:41 and not win!

rkagerer 7 hours ago||
Three of them, actually:

Sabastian Sawe 1:59:30

Yomif Kejelcha 1:59:41

Jacob Kiplimo 2:00:28

The previous official record was Kelvin Kiptum's time of 2:00:35 in 2023. Eliud Kipchoge did 1:59:40 in 2019, but that wasn't record-eligible as it was held under controlled conditions. Source: The article.

mkl 7 hours ago||
Two beat two hours is what they meant.
nradov 7 hours ago|||
Weather and course conditions were good but not perfect. There is potential to take a few more seconds off the world record in slightly colder conditions and on a course with fewer turns. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone run 1:58 in the next few years.
ohyoutravel 6 hours ago||
This is probably right. We’ll also see at least five unique sub-2s before the end of 2027.
hdndjsbbs 7 hours ago||
Pacing is a big part of endurance sport. If you're in the lead you know intellectually you want to pace for sub-2 hours, but if you're watching someone beat you maybe it gives you the extra edge?

It does sound like the course and the weather made it more likely to happen. And technical advances in shoe composition.

PaulDavisThe1st 7 hours ago||
That's not a description of how the pacing for this race actually happened.

> The leading men went through halfway in 60 minutes and 29 seconds: fast but not exceptionally so. But it turned out that Sawe was merely warming up.

Between 30 and 35 kilometres, Sawe and Kejelcha ran a stunning 13:54 for 5km to see off Kiplimo. Yet, staggeringly, more was to come as the pair covered kilometres 35 to 40 in 13:42. To put this into context, that time is two seconds faster than the 5km parkrun world record, set by the Irish international Nick Griggs.

It was only after a 24th mile, run in 4:12, that Kejelcha wilted. But still Sawe kept going. Astonishingly, he crossed the line having run the second half in just over 59 minutes.

“Before 41 kilometres, I’m enjoying, I’m relaxed,” said Kejelcha, who had won silver over 10,000m at last year’s world championships.

“My body is all great. At exactly 41 kilometres, my body stopped. I tried to push, but my legs were done.

Sawe, though, powered on to set the fastest official marathon time in history. For good measure, it was also 10 seconds faster than Eliud Kipchoge’s unofficial 26.2 mile best, set in Vienna in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/apr/26/sabastian-sawe...

brewdad 5 hours ago||
Elite marathon runners aim for a one minute negative split (Second half faster than the first). These guys pretty much nailed it.
codezero 6 hours ago|
Those shoes are gonna sell like crazy now but it would be hilarious if they were to be found to have been giving an unfair advantage because of some mechanical property of the shoe.
icegreentea2 5 hours ago||
Reviews say that they have very very good, but not record breaking energy return and shock absorption. But what they are is insanely light at sub 100g.

https://runrepeat.com/adidas-adizero-adios-pro-evo-3

parsimo2010 5 hours ago||
For a while it was all about getting the lightest shoes, because picking up heavy shoes slowed you down. Then the energy return (pebax foam, carbon plates/rods) became the main focus because the weight didn't matter as much when the shoe was literally springy. Surely this is now going to spark a race for the optimal balance between weight and energy return.
mbesto 5 hours ago|||
The Nike Zoom Vaporfly's already had set this precedent years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/18/upshot/nike-v...

The big improvement then was a carbon plate. Adidas (and others) followed suit. The subsequent improvements since then have been marginal but the margins are thin at that level. In this case the big advancement has been the weight of the shoe.

EDIT: Also it's worth noting these shoes are $500 retail. Adidas will for sure get a boost in sales from this, but there's definitely competition in the $200~$300 marathon running shoe space that won't solely draw everyone to Adidas)

pclmulqdq 5 hours ago||
Do these new Adidas shoes have anything major over the Vaporfly shoes? Maybe they are a bit lighter?

I think the big story here may be the nutrition science to get these guys to absorb a lot of carbs during the run, more than the shoes.

loloquwowndueo 5 hours ago|||
Well if they’re sold in stores and next year everyone will have a pair, then it’s not going to be an unfair advantage, is it?
colechristensen 5 hours ago||
There is a whole class of running shoes banned from various competitions.

Essentially the argument given was too much advantage came from the shoes and they didn't want racing to be about shoe technology development.

sergiotapia 6 hours ago|||
what else could it possibly be if not that?
robot_jesus 5 hours ago|||
Well, the marathon record has been broken 53 times since the early 1900s. So, there are a lot of factors at play. Better training, better nutrition, better tactics, and, yes, better shoes.

The advancements in shoes have made a measurable impact, but there are lots of optimizations being worked on.

jonplackett 5 hours ago||||
There’s info in one of the other threads about better carb intake too.

But yeah at this point, “it’s the shoes, stupid” should defo be the main part of the conversation.

DwnVoteHoneyPot 6 hours ago||
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nearlyepic 5 hours ago|||
If I wanted to know what an LLM thought (I don't) I would go ask an LLM.
MattCruikshank 5 hours ago||
One person sharing what an LLM thinks is probably better for the environment than each person asking...
nearlyepic 4 hours ago||
I'll trade a little bit of damage to the environment in exchange for keeping meaningful communication between human beings alive and well.
RobotCaleb 5 hours ago||||
Did you ask AI what to wear today, too?
dyauspitr 5 hours ago||
Is what the AI told him incorrect?
kibwen 5 hours ago|||
It sure would be great if the LLM in question would cite its sources so that we could verify whatever source it ingested this text from.
dyauspitr 5 hours ago||
They always do. You’re either being intentionally daft or you haven’t used an LLM from within the last year and a half.
kibwen 4 hours ago||
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RobotCaleb 5 hours ago||||
I don't know, I didn't ask my AI
jonplackett 5 hours ago|||
This is not the point
dyauspitr 5 hours ago||
What is?
kibibu 6 hours ago|||
AI told us we should add glue to pizza
ray_v 5 hours ago|||
In this economy, it may be sage advice.
_carbyau_ 5 hours ago||||
Is that not what tomato paste and/or cheese is? Food glue? The other ingredients would fall off too easily otherwise.

Or did the AI say we should be using PVA/cyanoacrylate/polyurethane glue or something?

dyauspitr 5 hours ago||||
You should stop using 3.5
readthenotes1 5 hours ago|||
I'm pretty sure that's an old trick based on some of the so-called cheese I've had on pizza
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