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Posted by aselimov3 1 day ago

Men who stare at walls(www.alexselimov.com)
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misja111 8 hours ago|
I have been doing this for years already after finding out by myself that it worked. Staring at anything works, even staring at your screen as long as you make sure you focus out.
ifh-hn 9 hours ago||
I thought this might have been about zazen, but it's not and no comment seems to mentioned it. I practiced zazen for a while, I want to get back to it. Maybe I will now I've finished studying.
gweinberg 21 hours ago||
Is the title a reference to "Men Who Stare at Goats"? If so, I think few people got it.
Phelinofist 4 hours ago||
I was thinking of Three Body Problem
croes 21 hours ago||
I think so, given that the first picture in the article is George Clooney in Men who stare at Goats
jconley 19 hours ago||
This was the name of my blog, back when I wrote one. I often do that when I need to think deeply. https://blog.jdconley.com
bad_username 21 hours ago||
John Cleese suggested something similar when solving hard problems that require creativity.

https://youtu.be/Pb5oIIPO62g?si=qML6bM5brI_XES9l

Tade0 7 hours ago||
> Stay up late because I’m wired on caffeine and dopamine from scrolling.

I wish people didn't overuse certain terms. Dopamine has a half life of 2 minutes in the body. It can't possibly keep you up at night.

It's just the caffeine, which in turn has a half-life of several hours. Also below a certain level it's eliminated approximately exponentially, so there's a long tail of residual caffeine.

bashkiddie 7 hours ago||
> Dopamine has a half life of 2 minutes in the body.

May be true.

But doing "rewarding" work encourages your body to emit more dopamine. Some people call it "the flow", others "hyperfocus", but it is a constant stream of dopamine that keeps you doing what you currently do. And you can interfere with the emittance and absorbtion by using caffeine.

H8crilA 7 hours ago||
Dopamine is more like a particular type of a transistor in a large semiconductor. What this type of a transistor does heavily depends on the area of the circuit. And it's never the only thing that's responsible for an entire high level feature, not by a mile. There are some common correlations, but that's about it.

I have never understood why people feel the need to use terms like "dopamine" in very pop culture and highly unscientific way, instead of just describing the state that they are talking about.

Tade0 6 hours ago||
This.

The other day someone told me that they "sense a high concentration of acetylcholine" in me. Thank you, I guess?

Personally, I blame Jordan Peterson. it's not that he used those terms incorrectly (he didn't). It's that the general public interpreted them in a way that went on to live a life of its own.

MrOrelliOReilly 7 hours ago|||
> It’s just the caffeine

Fair enough if the use of “dopamine” is imprecise, but excessive screen time / doomscrolling / shitposting is definitely enough to wire you awake on its own, without caffeine.

fragmede 7 hours ago||
> Dopamine has a half life of 2 minutes in the body.

That's for IV dopamine, used in extreme circumstances. Natural dopamine lasts shorter than that!

giancarlostoro 1 day ago||
> Extrapolating that trend, we would be at about 87 GB worth of data today.

Throw in YouTube Shorts / TikTok etc and it makes me wonder if that estimate is drastically too low. We went from the information age, to the brainrot overload age, to let's both have brainrot and let computers think for us.

lowdude 1 day ago|
If that trend really wants to measure the quality of video etc. as well, it would definitely be way more. But that assumption seems very flawed to me, e.g. watching a full 4K movie would amount to way more data than scrolling through memes, even though the latter is way more of an attention-stealing activity.
giancarlostoro 21 hours ago||
I'm not a subject matter expert, but I'm wondering if all the context switching of short form video counts as way more drain on the brain, would be an interesting study. I have to think the brain eventually gets tired of all the short dopamine hits.
contubernio 11 hours ago||
I have wondered if one of the issues with mobile devices might simply be physiological - using them appears to require constant eye movement that rest does not require. I haven't seen this addressed.
a96 7 hours ago|
More on the topic of the post, devices require a tight focus on details on a small object. That's the poison. Tight focus means stress for humans. You need time where you're not focusing on things (in all senses of the word, ideally) to recover and lower stress.
Lerc 1 day ago||
I could never do this. I would forget that I am staring at a wall within 30 seconds.

The suggestion of going for a walk at least means when you get absorbed by something in your mind, you are still out on a walk, You can't just turn around and start working on some new idea if you are out on a path somewhere.

sigbottle 1 day ago||
Totally agree with the absorption thing. I've always found myself at a great calm, ever since I was a kid, from sitting en transit and looking out the window. A train ride is great for this reason. I think about things. I actively think about things. These things are often not daydreams, hard problems, rumination. I know what those feel like, and they are definitely different from depressive rumination or furiously working through tasks.

Again, I want to emphasize, that in none of these are you explicitly practicing the act of leashing in your mind.

All in all, I think the popular conception of meditation, Youtube-ized since the 2010s, has more nuance. Maybe people see this distinction and think it's obvious. To me, as someone who unironically feel like I'm net negative from self-help content than net-positive, this matters to me, personally.

If you want to get mystical, there are plenty of stories of deep Eastern masters practicing their craft every day. They certainly are thinking about their act - they are not trying their best to "get rid of all their thoughts". These are different activities, each with their own merits, both much different states than the common state of the modern man today.

That being said, meditation and the surrounding ideas have helped me overall, if not just because the specific influencers that I do hold as valuable had a good attitude when approaching it. But nowadays I'd imagine it's been silently incorporated into the very underlying forces they were trying to avoid (I have to meditate because it makes me a more improved human being compared to my peers!)

ninalanyon 1 day ago||
> You can't just turn around and start working on some new idea if you are out on a path somewhere.

Eh? I'm retired now so I don't need to work but when I did I often went for a walk when a problem seemed insoluble. After a while I might feel that I have the solution to that and I'd start working on another problem as I continued my walk. You don't need to be in front of a screen with your fingers on a keyboard to do some work.

sarmike31 21 hours ago|
Even better, stare into the distance to adjust your focus and help them recover from staring at screens. Makes them relax looking at something far away or at least flex them into another state for a little.
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