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Posted by aselimov3 1 day ago

Men who stare at walls(www.alexselimov.com)
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immanuwell 1 day ago|
basically reinventing breathing practices and calling it "wall staring" is peak 2026, but honestly - whatever gets you off the doom-scroll and into something resembling rest, go off
nobodywillobsrv 17 hours ago||
Would be interesting to understand if walls and short focus vs trees and natural stuff further out is preferable.

When I was working more vision was always a bottleneck ... Staring at yet more close things would be less useful than staring at far away things

analog8374 1 day ago||
Some of us "stare" at our breath instead. That is, you put your attention upon the feeling of breath in the tip of your nose (or something like that).

It's nice because your eyes don't need to be open for it, so they don't get all dried out and itchy.

analog8374 1 day ago||
Shikantaza here. It's a big deal.

Consider:

We all know about "paying attention". Pay attention in class. Pay attention to the movie you're watching. Pay attention to where you're walking. Etc. It's important and we do it all the time.

Take that to the next level. Pay attention to a thing for a while. AKA Concentration. That's important too. Deep thinking, careful doing, science, engineering, art. It's necessary for all that.

And then there's meditation. It's more stuff to do with your attention.

Samatha (AKA concentration meditation) is concentration taken to the next level. All that deeper thinking etc that you got from concentration, this takes it further. Possibly much further. There are weird depths. And also, you become very familiar with the ways of attention. How it moves and how it affects the rest of your world and what you can do with it.

And then there is Shikantaza (AKA formless meditation, meditation without a seed...). it's a hard left turn. Serious sci-fi. I'll leave it at that.

tamimio 1 day ago||
Just go for a walk in nature or outside for 10min or so, get a fresh air, walking will activate many positive things, hell, you might actually cross path with someone who might have a better job for you than staring at screens and walls.
namblooc 15 hours ago||
Bro discovered meditating and gave it a fancy title.
NDizzle 1 day ago||
The same video showed up on my feed last week. I didn't try wall staring, but I did try a day (last Tuesday) with only a single screen active for the entire work day. I was extremely productive that day... but, and I know this is bad, I don't want set expectations too high. So here I type to you on a screen / device that should be turned off.
Insanity 1 day ago|
I went from a single monitor setup to triple monitor a decade ago, and then back down to single monitor.

It helps me focus to have just one active “feed”. And I put my phone away when I work to eliminate that screen as potential distraction.

Where I still kinda “fail” is during natural downtime. Like if I’m waiting somewhere, e.g the Dr office, I’ll pull out my phone and browse mindlessly.

vasco 1 day ago||
> A paper published in 2012 showed that in 2008 the average person was receiving 34 GB of information daily, with a daily information exposure growth rate of about 5.4% per year

The paper linked to justify this just talks about media that people consume which is growing. But that has nothing to do with the point this post is trying to make?

Your eyes "stream 4k video" anytime your eyelids are open regardless if you're watching a movie or looking at a wall? Why would me watching more videos say anything about how much information my brain processes?

llmssuck 1 day ago||
I understand your point, but a slightly more positive reading might be that the quantity of information consumed, while perhaps unable to be precisely quantified, can be related to the type of content being perceived.

Staring at wall produces little information in and of itself, perhaps through reflection, but staring at a TV produces a load of information, most of which is useless like names of characters, their favorite dresses, what food is being eaten where, etc. You can learn a lot by just passively observing even "dumb" TV especially if it contains foreign content or skills like cooking or sports. Again, not saying all of it is relevant to your life, but that's a different issue.

vasco 1 day ago||
I dunno I feel like brains are always going? It's not like if I'm staring at a wall my thoughts slow down vs if I'm watching a movie. If anything I'll be more "focused" on my thoughts so maybe they are more intense than the "shut brain down" effect of mindlessly consuming media? And I gave example of a wall, but what about scrolling tiktoks vs walking in the woods? Am I really processing more information scrolling tiktok than walking in nature? Hard to believe for me!
llmssuck 1 day ago||
Interesting example for sure. Walking the woods seems more complex, but I still think there is a real difference between "this character Xenia in a TV show acts an actor inside a TV show inside this current one and she likes to eat brownies with yellow cream on top" versus "I see trees with many leaves".

TikTok I have no knowledge of, but for sure seeing something like "Arab dude wearing suspicious looking outfit playing unknown instrument that I now have a name for playing a tune I did not know the name of but I do now says weird cultural thing that is highly specific to his or her locale but it kind of makes sense because of clues inside the video" is still very high-load compared to "I see a bird there that I do not care about in any way shape or form but I do remember it is blue".

vasco 18 hours ago||
Yeah I just disagree immediately. Even having to mechanically traverse and move, each step you think way more than, "swipe". Plus all the things to look at all around you, being tired, etc.
u_fucking_dork 1 day ago|||
Obviously the blank wall compresses better
beepboopboop 1 day ago|||
I’d venture that there’s less to process staring at a wall. Unless you’ve got exciting walls in your parts.
markburns 1 day ago||
I don't think "Sitting in an office you sit in every day" or "Sitting in your living room" are the same amount of bandwidth/storage as "Travelling around the moon". I'm sure we have compression algorithms for this stuff and it's somewhat related to novelty.

I'm aware of an association between perception of time to number of photons received in the eyes.

These relate to both how much time the events appear to take subjectively as well as how well remembered they are or how long they feel retrospectively. As in there is an actual physiological explanation for "time flies when you're having fun".

There probably is something to also be said for attention too. Increased awareness and attention will undoubtedly use up more 'bandwidth' or 'storage' too.

d--b 1 day ago||
Sounds like someone reinvented mindfulness
predkambrij 1 day ago|
They made instructions for mindfulness direct and unambiguous which is great.
thrownthatway 1 day ago||
I’d subtract a wall and substitute the breathe.

But a wall would probably do just fine as well.

cubefox 1 day ago|
See also:

Show HN: Improve cognitive focus in 1 minute (oneminutefocus.com) 741 points by junetic on Feb 7, 2024 | 287 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39288039

https://oneminutefocus.com/

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