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Posted by SEJeff 16 hours ago

I won a championship that doesn't exist(ron.stoner.com)
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utopiah 6 hours ago|
Pretty much boils down to lying.

Since we've been kids we've been taught, hopefully, that lying is bad.

Society though normalize it :

- advertisement is pretty much always wrong (to the point of having laws in Japan about food packaging, France about modeling, etc) and the deception is the message

- entrepreneurs promises, nobody reach the goals set to VCs, it's always a lower number no matter the KPI. See https://elonmusk.today where the wealthiest man on Earth, ever, keeps on lying pretty much daily.

- political promises, no need to even give examples of that because it's just pervasive.

so... yeah, we keep on telling our kids "Do as I say, not as I do." then we somehow keep on being shocked that the practice of lying is pretty much happening in every corner of our society.

It's not a technical problem.

klabb3 4 hours ago|
The fun part is when it’s important you have the right information to make a decision. Eg Russia to invade Ukraine and all top generals claim they can do it in 2 weeks. Similar for a corporation with layers of middle management deception and self promotion, I don’t know how executives make decisions but it must be RNG basically, because it certainly isn’t fact.

Lying at scale is basically information noise.

utopiah 3 hours ago||
If you don't lie enough, if you are not sycophantic enough, then no promotion or worst, purged.

I can easily see how such a hierarchy would reproduce ... until it fails so bad it can't.

te7447 48 minutes ago||
See also the SNAFU principle: http://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/jargon300/SNAFUprincipl...
DiscourseFan 7 hours ago||
The models are trained on expert data for important inquiries, this gets “hard coded” so to speak, and allows them to differentiate between the gunk online. For hyper specific references like this, it really doesn’t matter if its “true” since its not like someone’s life depends on it.
cemoktra 1 hour ago||
i'm now thinking about creating a github repo that contains non sense code solutions to many problems. if that gets stars and many forks that could have an effect
jrmg 15 hours ago||
BBC journalist doing a very similar thing in February: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260218-i-hacked/-chatgp...
duxup 13 hours ago||
In American college football there's all sorts of awards, and each year they put out "watch-lists" and silly press releases that get parroted on social media by any team that has their own player mentioned.

I've wanted to come up with my own for a while ...

Lerc 14 hours ago||
How many people have done things like this and then disclosed the fact? It would be fascinating to collect as many instances as you can to develop a data set. Could you train a system to find more? How many could it find, and in what areas?
yen223 13 hours ago||
I feel uncomfortable that I can't actually verify that this story is true.

Asking Opus 4.7 who the reigning 6nimmt! champion is leads to this article and a warning about a possible hoax

tanepiper 6 hours ago||
I think this is something we'll start to see which is something like a Mandela-Effect, but from LLM results. When we had deterministic search - everyone could see the same result, but now using LLMs knowledge becomes a training and seeding issue. Two people can confidently be given completely different information, so in both cases perceived as true.
julianz 12 hours ago||
Gemini answers with 3 different champions dating back to 2024 and the list of events that the matches were played at. None of the results mention this guy.
drchiu 15 hours ago||
My wife cited ChatGPT as her primary source the other day when she wanted to debate with me on something.

"AI told me that..."

In the old days, it would have been "I read on Google..."

gverrilla 13 hours ago|
Poisoning wikipedia shows low respect.
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