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Posted by elmean 18 hours ago

Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"(twitter.com)
https://xcancel.com/theo/status/2049645973350363168
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sssilver 16 hours ago|
Who remembers the Google of Eric Schmidt and "Don't Be Evil"?

The truth is that it doesn't matter what companies say, what they claim, what they do, and what their CEO says/claims/does.

It's just a matter of time until the shareholders will get the right CEO to maximize shareholder value.

People in the comments who want a statement or a "reorientation" or a commitment from Anthropic leadership are missing the principles of how capitalism functions. Shareholder value cannot be compromised. In every battle between morality and profit, values and profit, public good and profit, ultimately all things will mutate into a state that enables profit to prevail. Always.

There are no exceptions to this.

avaer 10 hours ago||
It's hard for people to understand that often it's a choice between "do the right thing" or "pay the price" (literally).

Usually neither shareholders nor users are willing to pay the price.

gverrilla 10 hours ago||
> There are no exceptions to this.

Not in capitalism, indeed.

speedgoose 18 hours ago||
At least we can assume that Anthropic eats their own dog food. They use Claude to develop their software.
NitpickLawyer 17 hours ago|
You say that like it's a gotcha. I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works. In fact it works so well that more people want it than they can serve. For months now they've been having issues when EU and US tz are both online at the same time.
infamia 16 hours ago|||
> I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works.

That's a notable achievement, but let's have some balance... It's also responsible for the biggest self-own in software industry history by leaking their 1) crown jewels (i.e., source code) 2) the existence of their next model Mythos, and 3) their roadmap in a highly competitive market.

NitpickLawyer 16 hours ago||
Eh... I personally think that having the keypads to enter a DC running on DNS served by that same DC is a bit more self-owning than leaking the source code of an app, but I get your point. It's obviously not perfect, but it's also obviously working.

Let's put this in perspective. Imagine it's 3 years ago, April 2023. Chatgpt has been launched for 4 months. We've all been using it, and writing poems in parrot talk or whatever. Someone tells you "In 2 years time there will be an app that lets you use LLMs to write code. It will be coded by humans for 3 weeks, then by humans + LLMs for 6 months, and then by LLMs mostly unsupervised. One year after that, they'll be making 2B/mo out of that app". Would you believe them? Not even the most maximalist, overhypers, AI singularity frenzied crazy people would have said that. And yet... it happened.

claw-el 16 hours ago||||
Is the reason they reached 2B/mo partially contributed by the fact that their users feel like they get unlimited use of it? If ‘feeling like it is unlimited use’ is a huge part that creates the 2B/mo, this change of limit might jeopardize it.

That being said, Anthropic can be diverting capacity to train the next model, and if it is significantly better, people would start flocking back again.

PunchyHamster 11 hours ago||||
you could have more successful company if you took VC money and paid the users directly. Revenue doesn't matter if company is in the red
AstroBen 15 hours ago||||
Not really. A person will eventually drink dirty water if it was the only thing available in a desert.

There's very little competition for SOTA models. The models themselves also weren't built by Claude. The current revenue has almost nothing to do with what Claude built.

Hell if it was so far ahead then they wouldn't be desperately trying to block OpenCode.

NitpickLawyer 15 hours ago||
> The models themselves also weren't built by Claude. The current revenue has almost nothing to do with what Claude built.

Ummm, no. Anthropic is #1 in coding because they developed it first. Then they used data + signals to train models specifically to work best with cc. They work together. Why do you think every provider (including chinese ones) have their own harnesses? Having real-world data and usage metrics helps training the models in immense ways.

Having features fast in this case >>> having perfect features. Some of them they dropped along the way, but having them in the pair cc + models is what matters. People switched from Cursor to cc in droves because it worked better there. That's not a fluke. That's how you improve your models, by collecting real world data after you launch them.

> Hell if it was so far ahead then they wouldn't be desperately trying to block OpenCode.

That's a lack of compute problem.

MagicMoonlight 16 hours ago|||
Everything works until it doesn’t.

The problem with slop is, nobody understands it. Nobody ever designed it, nobody really knows how it works. You’re just putting blind faith in the slop you’ve shipped.

It lets you be very quick, but if you’ve accidentally compromised all your data or bank accounts through the slop then you won’t know until you’re destroyed.

pdyc 17 hours ago||
why do people want to continue to use anthropic despite their shitty service? its not like they have some kind of lock-in as it is still new company and it has shown its color before we are stuck with it unlike google/meta etc.
0xpiguy 16 hours ago||
Totally agree. This is why open source models and toolings are so important for the ecosystem. I would not want these companies decide what we can or cannot do.
AtNightWeCode 15 hours ago||
That's a great question. Maybe other services have flaws too.
motbus3 15 hours ago||
It is funny in a sense that they did added a mitigation for openclaw as it seems.

But, if they did intentionally break other stuff, like charging more money, it would be a scam (not sure what is wrong but there is something wrong in taking credits without fulfilling the request)

But then they will just say "ah yeah, aí broke our tool it wasn't intentional, bla bla bla"

dm270 16 hours ago||
Several people at work, none use OpenClaw, had their limits jump immediately to 100%.

This is a reason to seriously consider changing providers.

xpe 14 hours ago|
>Several people at work, none use OpenClaw, had their limits jump immediately to 100%.

Substantively: assuming this is true, what are the possible explanations? If they don't use OpenClaw, wouldn't this suggest there is some other cause?

What company? Will these people go on the record?

We live in a world where it is irrational for me to put much credence in a HN account. I see it has 125 karma and was created in January 2022.

0xBA5ED 8 hours ago||
They seem to be getting quite comfortable altering the terms of use without notifying users.
wg0 17 hours ago||
I'm stepping away from LLMs in general and did cancel Claude code subscription this month because I respect myself very much and I deserve a better and transparent treatment.

If you must - in my experience Deepseek v4 is incredible value in every aspect. Pricing is transparent.

But like I said, I have funds in different AI gateways but I'm preferring to write by hand because I don't want surprising bugs and unnecessary code in my end result.

2ndorderthought 16 hours ago||
I did this and I use small local models as a productivity booster. It's been refreshing
bombcar 16 hours ago||
Hints or tips on how to start with local models? I’m considering a new MacBook Pro and wondering if I should take that into account.
2ndorderthought 15 hours ago||
The biggest hint I have is set a budget. Then try some models out on either cloud instances or a computer you own. See if they work for you.

Spec your machine accordingly. Some models I recommend trying to get a feel for what's out there. Qwen 3.6 35b a3b, granite4.1 8b, llama 3.2 3b.

There are plenty of others but those give a good taste for different sizes and what they can do. If it's not enough then you are out maybe 5 bucks.

Also check in with r/localllama they have a bunch of people who can help you go further, spec machines, get better performance and results. If you don't want to post that's cool but there are lots of comments on how to get going. They are pretty friendly though so I'd read the rules and make a post asking for help

ai_terk_er_jerb 16 hours ago|||
Admittedly havent used deepseek v4, but v3 was so overhyped and bad that I'm reluctant to wasting my time on it.

Maybe you will inspire me to use it.

sunnybeetroot 16 hours ago|||
You can use an LLM, review the code and therefore avoid surprising bugs and unnecessary code in your end result.
dgellow 16 hours ago|||
So close to doing the same
cyanydeez 16 hours ago||
installing a local model gives you time to work on the important code and let the ai do the drudgery
oliveiracwb 13 hours ago||
Sure. They want the data all to themselves. This reminds me of a time when I wanted to tax different types of web content. But back then people cared about freedom.
djmips 13 hours ago||
That's funny, today I casually mentioned OpenClaw in a Claude chat on finance and it claimed to know nothing of what I was talking about...
Unovia 6 hours ago|
Wonder if they tested that with actual code.
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