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Posted by Cider9986 10 hours ago

Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?(rivian.com)
564 points | 220 commentspage 2
exabrial 3 hours ago|
I still don't understand why this isn't treated as a national security threat. If X bad guy wanted to do devastating damage to the US Economy during a wartime situation, even a day "burb" in transportation would swing the tide of a war, let alone permanently disabling thousands of workers from getting to their jobs.

Cell connected vehicles are unnecessary and a danger for so many reasons.

Sophira 6 hours ago||
In the UK, this URL simply redirects to the UK version of the homepage, sadly.

For anyone in the same situation, https://web.archive.org/web/20260430234304/https://rivian.co... leads to the correct page.

pokstad 9 hours ago||
Show me where I can rip out the antennae/modem, otherwise you’re all talk.
myself248 8 hours ago|
Exactly. Any software toggle can un-toggle itself.
__fst__ 6 hours ago||
Are there any electric cars that don't need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric.
m463 4 hours ago|
I read the upcoming slate truck might be that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Truck

https://www.slate.auto

Unlike most vehicles sold in the United States, the Slate Truck is not expected to have any in-car entertainment system; instead, customers are expected to use their own mobile device for audio streaming, navigation, and over-the-air updates for their trucks.

1970-01-01 7 hours ago||
We all know selling your information to 3rd parties is a virtual goldmine. Either Rivian is doing much better than expected in the luxury space or they're unaware of the value of this data. There's no evidence of old fashioned goodwill here.
Aboutplants 6 hours ago|
I think they know only a small percentage will actually turn it off, the data they get from the other 90% is worth the good will you get from the 10% that opt out. It’s a fair trade off
VortexLain 8 hours ago||
It would have been much better to be able to disable telemetry without losing basic functionality such as navigation and safety updates. Having to choose between being spied on and having no connectivity at all is a false dichotomy.
caymanjim 8 hours ago||
Any connectivity at all is telemetry. The connection itself reveals where you are. Navigation reveals where you are down to the meter, along with everywhere you've been, where you're going, speed, etc. What else are you worried about if not that?
kelnos 8 hours ago||
It reveals where you are to the cell towers, but not to the car company. My phone already reveals where I am based on its cellular connectivity, so I'm not too worried about that.
smotched 8 hours ago||
what telemetry are you worried about if you're already sharing your exact location at all times (navigation)
mingus88 8 hours ago|||
I’m not OP but I just want to point out that navigation doesn’t need to mean I am always sharing telemetry with multiple third parties

I have a garmin watch which is great for overland hiking, multiple day expeditions etc

I download the maps and the watch has GPS to plot where I am on that map. My watch doesn’t have an eSIM at all.

Rivian is an adventure brand so if they wanted to design a maps system like that, where I am not continually downloading tiles from open maps or google and sending my location to them and others, they probably could

I just don’t think they have space for those types of features most people don’t care about while they are trying to compete in a rough industry and deliver new vehicles

samplatt 3 hours ago||
It's telling just how completely successful the social media revolution has been, when we don't remember that two short decades ago 3rd-party car navigation options that relied on maps loaded on the device and GPS input and that's all. No SIM cards (though they could have done so at the time), no telemetry.

The experience was even comparable to today's experience - I've been auto-routed around a road closure, like, twice in 5 years? And it _failed_ to route me around a road closure probably twice as well?

kelnos 8 hours ago|||
Why would you be sharing that? There's no reason why the navigation system needs to constantly tell a remote system where you are. Navigation systems don't even need an Internet connection for basic routing.
smotched 1 hour ago||
Navigation through gps means you're connected to a satelite at all times. has nothing to do with an internet connection. You're directly connected to the U.S. government (Space Force)
dlev_pika 9 hours ago||
> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle (e.g., navigation, lane keeping assistance (…)

Curious why lane keeping assistance would need to communicate externally. Isn’t all this processed in the vehicle?

gnabgib 6 hours ago||
You're reading too much into the editorialized title, this is a FAQ for Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

Lane keeping assist likely (a) shares data back to Rivian, and (b) depends on GPS and (live) map data to know location specific settings.. that there are 4 lanes on this road and the left 2 lead somewhere else (etc). Line detection (on-device) isn't always reliable (snow, rain, ice, mud, gravel, construction)

Fnoord 5 hours ago||
I find it ridiculous navigation would require always-on internet connectivity. Seems a regression from the offline TomTom devices from the past.
rmunn 3 hours ago||
I've only used Google Maps for navigation myself so can't speak to what Rivian does. But Google Maps uses Internet access to determine the speed of traffic on your route, allowing it suggest alternate routes if there's a traffic jam. (It also uploads the speed that you're traveling to Google servers, which is how they know about traffic jams to begin with: in many cities they could buy data from traffic cameras, but in stretches of rural highway where there are no cameras, Google Maps still knows when traffic has slowed down to a crawl. Guess how.) It also uses the Internet access to access reports like "There's a police car / stalled vehicle / object on road ahead". It may do other things with Internet access that I don't know about, but those are the two that I do know about.

And at least the object-on-road feature is one I'm glad they have. I once saw a truck ahead of me in my lane suddenly swerve hard onto the shoulder, which alerted me to danger. (The truck driver remained in control of the truck, thankfully). And there was a wooden pallet lying squarely in the right lane of the highway. I avoided it by moving into the left lane, then once I spotted a mile marker I pulled over and called 911 to report the traffic hazard. About ten minutes later, as I was driving on, I saw a police car on the opposite side of the highway, heading towards where I had reported the pallet on the highway. No way of knowing whether that car was the one responding to my call, but the timing suggests it was. Hopefully nobody had an accident before the pallet got cleared away. These days Google Maps would be able to alert people to the hazard before they got close, so nobody will be in the situation I was where the vehicle in front of them blocked their view of the hazard until they were quite close.

Long story short (yeah, yeah, I know: "too late"), some Internet-required features of modern navigation are ones I'm glad they have.

phil_kahrl 8 hours ago||
Fisker launched that feature over a year ago
ibejoeb 9 hours ago||
>For non-Canadian vehicles, you may reach out to Rivian Service to request that we disable the eSIM card in the vehicle through a service appointment.

Why is that? I really don't want to bring it to the shop to turn off the radio. In Canada it's a toggle in the settings. Is there Canadian legislation mandating this or something?

SrslyJosh 9 hours ago|
Yes, no credit if I have to ask someone to turn it off for me. It could obviously be a toggle here in the US.
traderj0e 7 hours ago|
Props to them. I'm holding onto an old car partially cause of this. Aside from semi theoretical problems like privacy and attack vectors, car tech is constantly annoying.
Silhouette 2 hours ago|
Are either privacy breaches or remote attacks really still in any way theoretical dangers? There have been numerous demonstrations of vehicles or their occupants being monitored, disrupted, or stolen as a direct result of the modern remote/online tech they usually come with now. I know quite a few people - myself included - who are wary of buying any new car that has all this junk tech built in and prefer to stick with older models for now.
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