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Posted by Cider9986 15 hours ago

Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?(rivian.com)
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appz3 9 hours ago|
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stealthlogic 11 hours ago||
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gulzo 13 hours ago||
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simpaticoder 14 hours ago||
This is insufficient. There needs to be a physical button that either physically disconnects every antenna and/or de-powers the transceiver.
janice1999 14 hours ago||
They could store data and then dump it later when the vehicle is being serviced. Unless their privacy states otherwise, assume data is being gathered and sold. Other car manufactures have been caught selling travel data. It's not even that paranoid. Google has been fined in the past for secretly collecting location data in Android when offline and then relaying it back to HQ once the phone got a signal.
AlotOfReading 11 hours ago|||
How would they do that? I'm sure you can buy some sort of aerospace component that has the signal integrity to do radios, but it sounds expensive. There's a reason these kinds of components (e.g. muxes) aren't usually physical disconnections.

Automotive power relays are at least a thing, but they're expensive consumables that have significant power draw.

In either case they would have had to add the components at design time and do the physical validation/testing, not ship it as a software update.

carlgreene 14 hours ago||
Kinda rich coming from someone who doesn't even have a valid SSL cert on the website in their profile bio...
simpaticoder 10 hours ago|||
I didn't notice until you mentioned it; fixed. Like others have pointed out, one issue has little to do with the other.

Cars were made for 100 years without an internet connection. Even for an EV there is no need for network connectivity or constant software updates. The first time a prominent figure is assasinated with a remote take-over of their vehicle people may start to see this issue a bit differently.

yjftsjthsd-h 14 hours ago|||
What does that have to do with anything?
nathanmills 14 hours ago|||
He expects an absurd level of effort from other people to protect privacy when he isn't doing the bare minimum for what he actually does himself.
pessimizer 13 hours ago||
> a physical button

New definition of "absurd" just dropped...

nathanmills 12 hours ago||
This is massively simplifying what is needed for a single button to physically (not just digitally) disconnect multiple components.
booi 14 hours ago|||
didn't you get the memo? If you don't set up proper SSL certificates you can't give opinions on the features you want in a car...
Cider9986 14 hours ago|
>It sounds to me like this is more akin to the Cellular Data toggle on Android as opposed to Aeroplane mode. If that is the case, it will presumably not prevent your vehicle from connecting to cellular base stations, which means your vehicle will still be trackable by network operators.

(https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/rivian-allows-you-to-dis...)

ezfe 13 hours ago|
> disable the eSIM card in the vehicle

Disabling a SIM card almost certainly means no connection to the network.

Cider9986 13 hours ago||
Your phone still connects to the cellular network without a sim card or eSim. It is mandated by law in the US. The only way to prevent your phone from connecting/pinging/being pinged by the cellular network is to put it in airplane mode.

(https://grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tracking)

Whether there is a sim enabled/disabled/installed is irrelevant. The question is whether this feature is Airplain Mode or if it is just disable cellular.

ezfe 12 hours ago||
Ah, I thought you were likening it to the disable cellular data button which does not disconnect the cellular network.

Instead you are referring to the fact that the radio may remain on even if it has no active SIM card.

Given that the primary concern of connected vehicles is changes over time and manufacturer control, I don’t see any reason to make that distinction for most people.