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Posted by XzetaU8 4 days ago

New research suggests people can communicate and practice skills while dreaming(www.newyorker.com)
https://archive.ph/6wKhx
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praveen4463 4 days ago|
I feel walking outside and thinking is a better way to practice skills and solve problems. A tired mind just sleeps and usually doesn't remember current events.
fodkodrasz 3 days ago|
Why not both? (Sleepwalking)
petra 4 days ago||
Have anybody managed to use sleep to learn language? How ?
neom 4 days ago||
I have dyslexia and in high school learning my lines for plays was really hard but I loved doing plays, so I recorded myself saying my lines on tape (yah, I'm old) and used double cassette to fill 2 tapes with them, then run them over night while I was sleeping. I've never used this in my adult life but it worked pretty well for my lines and I suppose maybe you could use it to learn a language?

Edit: Claude tells me I was a head of my time, apparently it works but not net new, you have to also be working on it awake, it's called 'targeted memory reactivation (TMR)": https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12592824/

nephihaha 3 days ago||
I attempted to do this with Japanese but did not make much headway.
spudlyo 4 days ago|||
While I think it's a compelling idea that playing speech in your target language while you sleep can help, I don't think it's ever been demonstrated to work.

Having said that, that sleep is incredibly important for learning anything! I practice my language learning during the day, a little bit every day, and I prioritize getting good sleep. This is mostly just trying to go to bed at the same time every night, avoiding alcohol, and giving myself an hour before bed with low lights to read and calm my mind. When you sleep, memories are consolidated, organized, and tagged for long-term storage. I will sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and bouncing around in my mind are echos of phrases and words from my target language. I figure it's working.

Cthulhu_ 4 days ago||
Dexter, from Dexter's Lab, learned French.
ares623 4 days ago||
Rich Hickey proven right again. (tongue-in-cheek reference to his Hammock Driven Development talk)
TipsForCanoes 4 days ago||
This "research" has no controls, no blinding, no quantitative data. The historic work mentioned all come from a time when there was no reliable way to confirm that someone was actually asleep. The recent research is full of weasel words like suggests, seems like, appears to, with no actual hard facts to measure and review.

So called Sleep Learning systems have been around for over 100 years but to date there is no rigorous suggesting that any of them work for acquisition of new information and/or skills.

I'll never understand HN's fascination with obvious pseudo science.

chaqchase 4 days ago||
Sounds like mental rehearsal more than magic. Interesting, but I'm not sure what to do differently day to day.
davidw 4 days ago||
I remember when I first started dreaming in Italian... it was pretty cool though.
a-poor 3 days ago||
Synthetic training data
ghm2180 4 days ago||
The newyorker has fascinating and well written medical stories. For example, Dhruv Khullar always writes amazing columns https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/dhruv-khullar
indiebatch 3 days ago||
But the problem is we forget as soon as we wake up
nephihaha 3 days ago|
Not so much if you note it down immediately.
zombot 4 days ago|
Now there is no excuse anymore to be working less than 24 hours a day.
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