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Posted by jovial_cavalier 1 day ago

Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March(blogs.windows.com)
88 points | 226 commentspage 4
mips_avatar 6 hours ago|
Microsoft is trying to sell things like extended servicing agreements. They purposefully make Windows worse so they can sell you solutions to fix it. They purposefully keep it insecure so you need their updates. It’s about taking the customers hostage.
SwamyM 3 hours ago||
Anyone have a good guide to (re)install Windows without any of the bloat? Preferably using Group Policy vs registry changes.

I've seen Tiny11 referenced but haven't seen a good guide for it.

windowsrookie 3 hours ago||
Ars Technica Made a guide:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/11/what-i-do-to-clean-u...

kotaKat 3 hours ago||
Install Windows 11 Education edition (which rips all of the AI shit out mostly with sane defaults for schools). If you need the ISO, Microsoft's default Win11 ISOs have it. Use https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/ to get a good autounattend set up to rip out the extra bloat and set up a clean install. Activate with Massgrave HWID. You're done.
cmehdy 2 hours ago|||
I'll vouch for this. I have a USB drive set up with Ventoy, which has the ability to install its TPM certs when booting from USB. It has a couple Linux ISOs and one Win11. It also has a Ventoy config tying that ISO to an autounattended XML built from that exact site.

The result is an install with no copilot/cortana/widgets, a win defender that can be disabled, no auto updates at all, a local account only, no taskbar shenanigans, properly configured explorer, some registry tweaks, runtimes pre-installed, extra drivers if needed, and QoL settings tweaked how I want them.

The OS installs itself in a few minutes with no intervention after the disk/partitioning stuff which I kept manual. It ends up being faster than the Ubuntu and CachyOs installs from the same drive. Then 2mins with massgrave post install if I haven't provided a key already.

When it is set up that way, Windows is decently fast and stable. And I have some control over it, at least whenever I need to enforce something.

SwamyM 2 hours ago|||
Wasn't aware that there was an Edcation version but that unattended installer site seem like a great way to install, without using a bunch of random Power Shell scripts.
kotaKat 2 hours ago||
I will disclose that it generates a lot of random Powershell scripts to do all the unattended tweaks and magic... but yes, it's still a great way to install.
ciconia 8 hours ago||
Just switch to Linux people!
throwa356262 7 hours ago||
My first hand experience with Windows vs Linux this month:

A friend of mine recently bought a very expensive laptop to do some gaming. I helped him set it up and god that was a horrible experience. For example, we could not get rid of LinkedIn and other crap Microsoft wanted to force on him. Disabling copilot and removing Office required registry surgery. And the damn fans were always running because of some unknown activity in the background, maybe Microsoft is moving into bitcoin mining business?

He eventually got fed up, installed Ubuntu 26.04 as an experiment and a week later still seems to enjoy the experience. Games run fine on steam and his laptop finally feels like his own.

Most surprisingly, Linux worked fine out of the box. Windows 11 on the other hand needed a bunch of PowerShell and registry hacks to be copy pasted from various sources before it was even remotely usable. It's funny how it felt as if Windows was the OS for nerds with too much free time on their hands while Ubuntu was created for ordinary people. And my god, Ubuntu feels so much more fluid on the same hardware. The difference is *huge*.

lawn 3 hours ago|||
I installed CachyOS for my 8-year old son and his desktop instead of Windows.

It's been wonderful.

mkayokay 7 hours ago||||
Gaming on Linux works pretty good now. Setup is easy thanks to Steam and other launchers (e.g. heroiclauncher).
rincebrain 6 hours ago|||
Not the main focus but, FYI, a number of pieces of hardware will default to full tilt fans unless you have their tooling running to manage things.

NVIDIA GPUs were infamous for doing this with nouveau on less ideally supported cards, for example.

hiq 6 hours ago||
But it's the kind of things you'd expect Windows to take care of automatically, or in the worst case, to prompt the users to install on first boot, especially if Linux (with overall less driver support from manufacturers).

And with a preinstalled Windows (tuned to the laptop) this behavior should not be observed at all.

pliny 7 hours ago|||
I got a new computer a couple weeks ago, with a 5070, and installed ubuntu on it and it was incredibly slow. I looked online and found some claim that 24.04 has some incompatability with nvidia, tried installing a bunch of different driver versions and nothing helped, tried turning everything off in gnome tweaks and still slow, tried installing 26.04 and 22.04 but the installer hangs forever in both, tried linux mint 24.04 still slow, gave up and installed windows with WSL :/
frm88 1 hour ago|||
I run a computer with a 5070 and Nobara. Nvidia and Linux always seem to be at odds but that has gotten a lot better with some distros.
barrkel 6 hours ago||||
What was slow?

I'm running Ubuntu on a 9950x3d and 5090 and it is not slow. Games in Steam with Proton are buttery smooth.

One hiccup was I had to disable variable refresh rate because moving the cursor didn't "count" as a reason to update the screen, so moving the cursor on its own (rather than e.g. moving a window) looked choppy.

But a choppy mouse cursor isn't "slow".

Tip: if you have a performance problem, run Claude Code (or an AI agent of your choice) and ask it to investigate.

pliny 5 hours ago||
>What was slow?

Everything, huge input delay in every interaction, clicking on anything, opening menus, typing, tabbing between windows, everything had 1-2s of delay.

>disable variable refresh rate

I think I tried this but dont recall, there were a few things related to monitor refresh I tried that probably included this

donalhunt 3 hours ago||
In case it helps I have the same experience on Windows right now. :_(
fsflover 6 hours ago||||
If you wanted to run Ubuntu from the beginning, it would be better to search for a computer designed for it, not for Windows.
alkonaut 3 hours ago||
This is the one thing I want from an OS: I want it to work for the hardware I have, and the hardware I get tomorrow.

Without having to google whether it will, or what hardware to buy.

Without having to google some workaround or configure anything to get the most of it.

jeltz 2 hours ago|||
Then your only option is Apple. The same happens with Windows too.
fsflover 3 hours ago|||
Your expectations are not reasonable. Imagine complaining about MacOS not working on a Windows laptop or vice versa.

You should buy preinstalled the OS you want instead.

alkonaut 3 hours ago||
Mac chose another path. You buy a pc and OS and the same vendor makes both. You can’t choose but at least you also never need to wonder whether your laptop and OS work together.

Microsoft took a more difficult path. They have close contact with OEMs, run certification programs etc. A massive apparatus to make it somewhat likely that hardware will ”just work”.

Both of these are valid models. I’d be happy to use either. I’m not very keen on doing this work myself though. I can buy a PC with Ubuntu but then it’s still hit and miss if I buy something new for it. There is no canonical store selling canonical gear like the Apple Store

lawn 3 hours ago|||
Try CachyOS instead. Ubuntu is not great.
advael 7 hours ago|||
Hard to overstate the sunk-costness of it all
twilo 1 hour ago|||
No thanks
FridayoLeary 1 hour ago|||
Came here to say that. I've recently tried linux mint and it just works. You don't have to use the terminal if you don't want to, but i do enjoy using it. It's a breath of fresh air after windows. I'm now waiting for the year of the linux desktop. Though i'm not holding my breath. The average person will carry on using their system until it grinds to a halt under all the crap they've installed on it, and then complain their computer is too old.
jofzar 7 hours ago||
Except I can't because of the games I play?
Accacin 6 hours ago|||
This is a choice for you! I'm a pretty heavy PC gamer and whilst I've run Linux since I was in college (UK college, not US) I've always had a Windows install for gaming.

A few years ago, I finally decided I'd had it with Windows and their crap and uninstalled it. If I game doesn't run on Linux, I don't play it. Simple as that.

I'm lucky in that a majority of games I play run fine on Linux, the only real game I'd love to play is Vermintide 2. My friends also run a mix of Linux and Windows and so we're fairly fine skipping games as a group if we can't play on Linux.

globalnode 3 hours ago||
>If I game doesn't run on Linux, I don't play it. Simple as that.

yes ive reached that point too.

Accacin 3 hours ago||
Especially because technically games run pretty amazing on Linux. The issue is always the anti-cheat that they decided to implement.

There's at least one anti-cheat that "works" on Linux so they have options.

amlib 6 hours ago|||
That is a problem of any operating system switch, you need to figure out what software is compatible or weather there are suitable replacements. It's the same even if you switch between iOS and Android.

That said, Linux used to be a tough cookie because there were so little support for software people wanted to run and the alternatives didn't do it any favours, plus the barrage of problems you used to get installing it on a random machine was discouraging, at best. Nowadays your chances of running it well on a random machine is pretty damn good and getting the software you need is lot more feasible. But don't go YOLOing a linux install, see if meets your use cases. There is nothing wrong with waiting until it's good enough.

technothrasher 3 hours ago||
I'm just down to Creative Cloud now. It's the only thing I still need Windows for. Everything else runs on Linux or there is a suitable alternative. So I've got several Debian machines running at home and at work, and one Windows machine that I boot only for photo editing.
jokoon 2 hours ago||
valve is on the brink of replacing windows with steam for many people

it's probably not a big dent in market share, but it's probably a good tipping point

forestingfisher 2 hours ago|
Not everyone is a gamer.
jokoon 12 minutes ago||
I did not say everyone is a gamer, but it's still a big market share
lousken 6 hours ago||
> This update moves Windows toward a single monthly restart by consolidating OS, .NET, and driver updates

I just can't, gotta ask - what about c++ updates? What about integral os components that were migrated to the store and if you disable it, you won't get updates? What about defender updates (not definitions but app update) that won't get applied if you have another anti malware?

The thing I hate about windows updates is that microsoft can't even update all their own stuff with a single button.

edit: almost forgot - why is office not in windows update, and what the hell is wrong with teams and why it is seperate from office updates

Just updating windows is a complete and utter mess and every single Linux distro is 100x better

itrunsdoomguy 4 hours ago||
Windows won’t be able to run Doom soon.
faragon 4 hours ago||
Microsoft degrading user experience plus lower price on Mac computers it maybe their downfall. E.g., removing local accounts, unwanted advertising, arbitrary decisions (forced TPM requirement), etc.
aboardRat4 3 hours ago||
Windows can ensure its quality quite easily: restore support for Windows 7.
torben-friis 6 hours ago||
This reads... Weird? As in, I know it's marketing speech but expressions seem misused and ideas don't follow from each other:

>You decide when updates happen, not the other way around.

Not... the other way around? Updates decide when I happen?

>Last month we said we would reduce where Copilot shows up across Windows, focusing on bringing AI where it’s most valuable. [...] in Notepad, we’ve replaced the generic Copilot icon with a clearer “Writing Tools” label that better describes what it does.

We've reduced AI by renaming the button?

frm88 57 minutes ago||
My sentiments exactly when reading that - I had to read the first one twice to verify what it said.
greenbit 2 hours ago||
Wonderful, can't wait to be ambushed by Son of Clippy. Should have anticipated these kinds of shenanigans.
glimshe 2 hours ago|
Sweet Jesus, when are these guys going to understand that I want to be able to turn off automatic updates completely and forever. I'm fine if my computer melts and explodes if I didn't get the update, but let me do it on my own schedule permanently!
realo 1 hour ago|
I understand your point and motivation completely. And I agree...

However in today's world if you expose an unpatched "anything" to the internet then it is very possible that it will be discovered and eventually used to (silently) do things you don't want. Think DDOS farms, illegal software distribution etc...

What is the middle ground? I don't think there is one. We need to have reliable, automatically updated OSes which don't suck and , much more importantly, run the applications we need.

That is definitely NOT Windows.

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