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Posted by delichon 6 hours ago

Job Postings for Software Engineers Are Rapidly Rising(www.citadelsecurities.com)
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dontgetfired 4 hours ago||
90% of the job ads I see have the word "AI" in them. It can be a startup hoping for a get-rick-quick opportunity from the AI hype, or an established company.

Both types expect you to spend as many tokens as possible so that the AI bubble doesn't burst (presumably because leadership has a financial interest in this).

Your actual productivity isn't important. If you point out that you're much faster writing code on your own in 90% of cases, you will be told you're not good at AI, you're not prompting it correctly and that generally you're not AI-native and that you'll be left behind. To be precise, token usage is a performance metric, so you'll be let go if Claude is not running continuously 8 hours a day.

I'd like to know how many places have mandates to write 100% of your code using AI, as well as to max out your AI agent's plan. For some reason nobody talks about it even though I know several companies around the world that are forcing this on their employees.

If you're looking for a job then you don't have a choice, it's better to have an income. But if you're looking to change jobs to get away from AI to actually be productive and gain experience then it's a very bad job market.

ed_elliott_asc 1 hour ago||
I’ve been programming for 25 years, I’d struggle to think of a scenario where I’m faster writing code manually than prompting ai to do it

[edit 25 years not 20]

dontgetfired 1 hour ago||
You read the AI-generated code, right? That takes time and effort. Whereas if you wrote it yourself then you already read it.
ed_elliott_asc 29 minutes ago||
Yes but it takes a lot less time to read it
nine_k 2 hours ago|||
"AI" is everywhere, because it's the fashion. A lot of jobs do not require AI mastery, or even heavy use.

I'm searching for a job for many months, and I do see the uptick quite clearly.

dontgetfired 2 hours ago||
> "AI" is everywhere, because it's the fashion.

Fashion is when developers jump on the next web framework because they got bored of the old one.

But when you get fired for not enough token usage, that's something else. When bosses start demanding you write 100% of your code using AI, and then a few months later Anthropic reports 30% increase in usage, that's not fashion. People who invested in AI are putting a lot of pressure on developers to ensure their investment pays off.

groundzeros2015 2 hours ago|||
It feels like when Java and Object-oriented programming were popular. You must use the object orientation, it is the future. Imagine not being able to reuse code, etc.
otabdeveloper4 2 hours ago|||
> your AI agent's plan

Token billing is coming very-very soon, there won't be a "plan".

What will these companies do then?

ai_slop_hater 2 hours ago||
I will probably use a local model
ai_slop_hater 2 hours ago||
"AI-native" lmao, what a term
trhway 4 hours ago|
our labor market is cyclic, relatively short busts and long initially-slow-and-faster-and-faster booms. We had busts of 2000-2003, 2008-2010(11?), 2022- i guess 2026. I wasn't in US in 199x, yet i guess beginning of the 199x also was a bit tough.

Unavoidable AI-based productivity growth, in software and in all the other industries, will lead to the software, specifically AI in this case, not just eating the wold, it would be devouring it. Such AI revolution will mean even more need for software engineers, just like the Personal Computer revolution and the Internet revolution did in their times. Of course the software engineering will get changed like it did in those previous revolutions.

otabdeveloper4 2 hours ago|
> Unavoidable AI-based productivity growth

There is no productivity growth attributed to AI. In fact, serious attempts to measure AI performance show that even if AI makes some code entry tasks faster, total product delivery times are, in fact, increased.

(This should be obvious once you realize coding AIs are technical debt generation machines.)

littlexsparkee 51 minutes ago|||
METR had found this result in the past but in a recent reexamination, rather than a 20% loss, there was now a 20% gain (per recent Roge Karma article in the Atlantic). I'm not aware of all of the studies though and what the consensus is, just an example that seems to suggest this is not necessarily true.
PeterHolzwarth 2 hours ago||||
There's no "productivity growth attributed to AI" -- yet.

I think we've gone beyond anecdotal evidence of experience engineers finding true value in this new tech. It may not have registered yet, but skilled people are unequivocally finding value in these tools.

I agree that we have yet to settle down on the true costs involved (which will probably end up at "slightly less than a junior engineer" or something like that) - but we are months beyond the idea that it's all smoke and mirrors and no one is getting value out of it.

ed_elliott_asc 1 hour ago|||
I think part of the problem is that it is such a generic catch all term:

- AI will replace all workers (unlikely today) - AI speeds up programming (yes today)

delusional 1 hour ago|||
> but skilled people are unequivocally finding value in these tools.

Sure, whatever. That would be anecdotal evidence.

PeterHolzwarth 1 hour ago||
I get you, but as the months progress, we keep finding that more and more experienced engineers are finding a lot of time-saving value in this new tech.

I think we are past the point where we can just dismiss their input - these new tools do legitimately add value, it appears.

trhway 2 hours ago|||
that is today. The first cars - with steam engine, the very first in 1769! - and even the ones from the first half of 19th century also didn't look like an improvement. The AI today is more like the internal combustion engine toward the end of the 19th century - on the brink of becoming the dominating tech while using a horse was still a viable option for a time.