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Posted by supermdguy 2 hours ago

Ask.com has closed(www.ask.com)
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sanswork 1 hour ago|
For a long time ask.com had one of the only Google ad feeds allowing them to programatically request ads from Google to show on their search pages and for some reason instead of implementing it themselves they used a company I worked for to do it so for some time a lot of the ads on ask.com were actually google or yahoo ads running through a random ad server I wrote. I remember having to move our systems to make sure we were in a data centre as close as possible to them and Google/Yahoo since we had (I think?)50ms to receive a request from them, contact google and yahoo for ad inventory, merge them and return it to ask to show on the page.

(This was all like 15 years ago now)

cwnyth 49 minutes ago|
I'd love to see a write-up of this if you ever get the chance.
sanswork 38 minutes ago||
There really isn't too much more to it but happy to try and answer any specific questions. I wasn't involved in the business dealings at all so I have no clue why it happened. System was originally written in PHP and I later rewrote it in Erlang as we got more sources so I could contact all the networks for ads at the same time. It was a very lightweight system the click handler was the heavier one.
sixo 2 hours ago||
Missed opportunity to name an LLM "Jeeves" and finally live up to the vision.
johnzim 1 hour ago||
One of the best improvements to my life was adding the following to my LLM Prompt: "Please respond as Jeeves from the P.G. Wodehouse stories".

Not only are the LLMs quite excellent at emulating the valet, the actual dynamic fits fascinatingly well. Jeeves was always both perspicacious and enthusiastic about whatever task he was given - be it ironing a shirt or seeing to Bertie's continued wellbeing.

nomilk 1 hour ago|||
I feel dumb but I’d not previously made the Ask Jeeves and Jeeves from P.G. Wodehouse novels connection!
benrutter 26 minutes ago||||
> the actual dynamic fits fascinatingly well.

This is such a good pairing! Part of the fun of the stories is that its never clear whether Jeeves' suggestions are genuis, or overconfident but insane japes, I feel like this dynamic puts LLM hallucinations into a role where they're just part of the fun.

wyclif 38 minutes ago|||
I feel this reply deeply. Tremendously depressed right now.
gizajob 1 hour ago|||
I think about six months ago I commented on an AI thread to the effect of “I’m happy that after a 30 year effort and hundreds of billions spent, AskJeeves finally works as intended” - Jeeves is totally ripe for LLMing.

Completely baffling that after keeping ask.com going for this entire time (some two and a half decades of irrelevance) they shut it down at the point at which it can actually be made to work.

NewJazz 2 hours ago|||
Maybe this is a precursor to them selling the mark to someone who (at least thinks they) can capitalize on it.
harikb 1 hour ago||
The guy who bought friendster.com lurks here
elphinstone 55 minutes ago|||
It's a name best saved for an embodied humanobot that can do laundry, etc., too, as well as answer questions, screen calls, etc.
DANmode 1 hour ago|||
You have no idea how correct you are…

Ask Jeeves launched in 1997 as a natural language query model!

and until about 2000…some people preferred it!

Edit: and after that its indexing and results were clowned ruthlessly,

but that doesn’t change what I’m saying!

jerbearito 48 minutes ago|||
WOW. 12 year old me would've loved this.
pailingems 2 hours ago||
Two years ago I made a rudimentary chatbot/agent for our long running IRC channel using the OpenAI API as the "brain". Its nickname is Jeeves.
cyode 1 hour ago||
“Jeeves’ spirit endures.”

This goes hard.

While he never married or had children, Jeeves is survived by his brother software butlers Jenkins and Alfred who have asked the public for privacy during this difficult time.

buildsjets 2 hours ago||
Oh my, I remember the time they sent a friend of mine a cease-and-desist.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001017194117/http://www.askgee...

leke 29 minutes ago||
Nice, I guess nobody is going to bother my Ask Alko side project now.
oofbey 44 minutes ago|||
Nicely done
pailingems 2 hours ago||
Careful you don't type an H instead of a G there.
solomonb 1 hour ago||
Man as a teenager I was in a Day of Defeat clan with a couple of the Ask Jeeves engineers. They were really cool.
w-ll 1 hour ago|
What a great game/mod on the og hl1
lldb 2 hours ago||
It's mildly interesting that this landing page is hosted on github pages: https://github.com/askmediagroup/ask.com
tech234a 1 hour ago|
You can also see the various rejected wordings for the page in the commit history.
qingcharles 50 minutes ago||
And now people submitting PRs :D
arm32 2 hours ago||
Sad what it had become: https://web.archive.org/web/20260316143530/https://www.ask.c...
tptacek 2 hours ago|
Was it ever good?
stingraycharles 2 hours ago|||
None of the search engines from that era were really good. AltaVista was perhaps the best, but AskJeeves was up there and people used multiple. AltaVista, AskJeeves, Yahoo, etc. They all had their pros and cons.

Then Google arrived and showed them what a “good” search engine was like.

thr0waway001 1 minute ago|||
Yahoo was pretty good until they removed comments from their posts as well as removing Yahoo Answers.

I loved the chaos of Yahoo answers.

I remember messed up questions like “Can humans get preggo from midgets” and things of that nature.

rsync 2 hours ago||||
Altavista was fantastic and represented a features and usability high water mark that was never passed by google.

Full boolean operator search with "literals" actually respected, negative search terms worked as advertised, etc.

None of that ever worked properly, consistently, at google.

thayne 1 hour ago|||
> None of that ever worked properly, consistently, at google.

My experience is it worked pretty well on Google for a while, but then it got progressively worse.

stingraycharles 34 minutes ago||
Right, for this first 5 years or so, it worked. But then they started to optimize for “the masses”, and they don’t use boolean logic in queries.
yread 32 minutes ago||||
It worked pretty well on early google and altavista. Find an archive of searchlores.org from that era and see for yourself. +Fravia had documented and tested the features quite thoroughly
mrandish 1 hour ago||||
Agreed. AltaVista was the best of the pre-Google search engines. I seem to remember Google having negative terms, literals and booleans (at least or/and) - although they weren't well documented, they worked. Amazon had literals and negative terms too for many years. Now searching on both of those sites is "search theater", where they pretend to give targeted results while burying the result you're looking for just deep enough to maximize page views before too many users bounce.

I fucking hate we now live in a world where leading companies A/B test precisely how much they can degrade their core product value and annoy users knowing they're safe from competitors because startups know if they threaten Google/Amazon on that stuff they'll just put back the minimum functionality long enough to ensure the new player dies.

akafred 1 hour ago||
I pay for kagi on my personal machine, it is always a delight when my cmd-t search is answered kagi and not a list of ads ...
seanmcdirmid 2 hours ago|||
I would think that 90% of the principals at DEC/Compaq WRL working on AltaVista would have moved to google, their first office was nearby in downtown Palo Alto back in 1999.
bandrami 2 hours ago||||
And at the time it was still an open question whether search engines or curated oracles like Yahoo would be what stuck in the long term.
helterskelter 2 hours ago||||
Around this time you also had meta search engines, which gave you the dedup'd results of all the major search engines at the time. There was MetaCrawler and Dogpile from what I remember, both of which are oddly still around.
iammrpayments 13 minutes ago||||
I remember vividly how lycos was much better than google
cm2187 1 hour ago||||
AltaVista and HotBot for me. Yahoo wasn't a search engine, it was a manually curated website directory (with a hierarchical structure), which was great for finding similar websites if you found one you liked.
eduction 1 hour ago||
You could get search results on yahoo. The directory results would come first and then search results from their current “partner.” At one point it was Inktomi, the Berkeley company behind HotBot. At one point it was Google. Before them, one of the more generic ones.
bsimpson 1 hour ago||||
Don't forget WebCrawler!
bsder 2 hours ago||||
AltaVista had a Java applet that would visualize the "clusters" that a search produced. You could then click on a "cluster" in order to exclude all the irrelevant ones and the search results would update.

For example: Searching on "python" would give you two obvious clusters one for "reptiles" and one for "programming languages". Clicking on the appropriate cluster would screen out all the irrelevant ones.

This is a feature still unmatched by any search engine today.

tptacek 2 hours ago||||
I remember AltaVista being the only really credible search engine prior to Google (I took a brief detour to Excite but kept going back to AltaVista). Jeeves I only remember for the freeform query gimmick.
throwatdem12311 2 hours ago||||
And now every search engine has been flooded with SEO’d AI slop and they all suck again.
DeathArrow 2 hours ago||||
Alta Vista had more relevant search results than Google has now.
zombot 1 hour ago||
For all practical purposes, internet search is dead or dying. It has been enshittified to perfection by multiple parties. Those who could have been called users in a previous life are the ones getting the least use out of it. For a brief period of time, LLMs can help. Until their inevitable decay into ad-infested hellscapes makes them just as useless. They don't have ad blockers.
kwoff 2 hours ago|||
Exactly. Before google came out in I think 1998, I had several bookmarked sites like excite.com, altavista, dogpile, yahoo, and yes askjeeves. You kinda had a feeling for which one would be good for which kind of search. But then google came along...
bandrami 2 hours ago||||
Yes. When it came out it was amazing, and it forced the existing search engines to start parsing queries' intents rather than just searching for the words in them.
gizajob 1 hour ago||||
No not at all.

The whole point of AskJeeves was that you could ask Jeeves things in natural language because the landing page was a snappily dressed butler waiting to help you around the internet, but it didn’t really work so you were left disappointed every time. Still found myself using it because the url was easy to remember though. But then google annihilated it so nobody ever went back, and I guess why they dropped the Jeeves part of the url because he was less than useful.

spike021 2 hours ago||||
I very vaguely recall using it right before I started using google. very early 2000s. it was ok.
bfsjjdjdfj 2 hours ago||||
During those days you were switching between 3-4 different ones to find info. They were maybe good for two weeks where I would use it alot but you always switched around and came back to it.
serf 2 hours ago||||
ask was cool because the appeal initially was to allow people to better form search queries with natural human language questions.

as far as weird search engine traits I still think ChaCha is king; it's just sort of intrinsically funny that another human being is being given two cents to find me the most relevant FarScape fansite or DIY tattoo ink guides, whatever.

DANmode 1 hour ago||
WAS being given

They’re done.

tempaccount5050 2 hours ago||||
I think that and dogpile were the best in that short area before google took off as the clear winner.
Mistletoe 2 hours ago||||
Yeah I remember using it back in the day and getting good results.

> Unlike early keyword-based engines, it aimed to answer specific questions, acting as a precursor to modern AI assistants like Siri or ChatGPT.

> Ask Jeeves (now Ask.com) was an early search engine launched in 1996 that allowed users to get answers via natural language queries, personified by a cartoon butler mascot. Developed by Garrett Gruener and David Warthen, it focused on Q&A rather than just keywords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask.com

DANmode 1 hour ago|||
Between ‘97-2000, arguably.
firefoxd 2 hours ago||
Where do I buy it? Who wants to join me and buy it together?
jsweojtj 2 hours ago||
I want to know what was the first and last question asked of Jeeves.
fudgeonastick 2 hours ago|
https://ask.com/ is my go-to site that I know will be up, but I know will not be in my DNS or browser cache. I use it as my "wait, is my internet really working" check.

I hope the domain lives on, and that I don't want to visit it.

jraph 12 minutes ago||
https://perdu.com works very well for this. It also still answers to http.

Apparently it'll turn 30 years old in a few weeks [1]. It hasn't changed much if at all since its inception.

Its very small size makes it perfect for curl perdu.com or when the connection is very bad.

[1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perdu.com

NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago|||
Yahoo.com should be your next one :)
qingcharles 43 minutes ago|||
I've been using yahoo.com as my test domain since 1995...! I think I used microsoft.com before that, but yahoo is easier to type.
arm32 2 hours ago|||
I'd be willing to be ask.com will always resolve to a pingable IP address, that's a HOT domain name.
eresonance 1 hour ago|||
Mine is https://www.red.com/

Been using that for so many years now, probably 20ish? Oh wow, yup, I remember this page from 2006:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060505141837/http://www.red.co...

LeoPanthera 1 hour ago|||
I have a tiny bash script that picks four random common words from the list of the 10000 most common words on Wikipedia and tries to ping <word>.com for each.

It's quite rare to find an unregistered one.

qingcharles 41 minutes ago||
I did this via some sort of bash + WHOIS call in about 1995 with the dictionary file I normally used for passwd cracking. There were a lot available then.
dlivingston 1 hour ago|||
I use https://www.example.com. I used to use Oprah.com; for some reason, that made me laugh.
waynesonfire 1 hour ago||
Aol.com for me.
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