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Posted by KatiMichel 21 hours ago

Southwest Headquarters Tour(katherinemichel.github.io)
After years of flying Southwest, I recently had the opportunity to tour the headquarters in Dallas. I particularly enjoyed seeing the full-motion 737 simulators, Network Operations Center, and TechOps maintenance hangar up close.
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Jordan-117 20 hours ago|
Being a "superfan" of a corporation is already kind of questionable, but especially so when its leadership has been steadily dismantling so many great customer-friendly things that distinguished them from the competition. I'm glad at least something like this has survived long enough for you to have a neat experience.
appreciatorBus 19 hours ago|
You could’ve just said, “I’m glad you enjoyed it!” or said nothing at all rather than lecturing her on your politics.
Jordan-117 14 hours ago|||
Nothing against her, I just think it's not advisable to put a lot of emotional investment in a company that's already shown it's willing to throw away what made people loyal to it to begin with. I've seen a lot of other deeply committed superfans of Southwest feeling upset and angry and even betrayed at various unpopular and customer-hostile moves they've made in the last few years, so it was kind of surprising to see people still buying into their image. Maybe the changes just haven't hit something they care about (yet), but it's always risky to treat a company like they're family/friends/etc. (even if individual employees are great people).
borski 17 hours ago|||
This is the internet; we don’t do “reasonable” here, apparently :p
xyzelement 16 hours ago|
// We later learned that sadly only 6% of Southwest pilots are women,

I am not sure that's a "sadly". I used to fly a lot and talk to flight crews. Aviation is a ton of crazy schedules and nights away from home (I assume this is well known)

From a family perspective it's bad enough if dads missing from the house for days at a time, much more catastrophic if mom's not around like that.

(A child's relationship with mom vs. dad is very different. Kids need their mom in a very different way that we can't just paper over)

birdsongs 4 hours ago||
> From a family perspective it's bad enough if dads missing from the house for days at a time, much more catastrophic if mom's not around like that.

Ah, what is so special that women bring that men can't? Neither women or men are fundamental to raising a child, parents are. Gay couples raise healthy, well-adjusted children all the time without one or the other gender as a parent.

Positioning a family as having women-at-home as a requirement just sounds like old-school misogyny to me. (And also de-valuing the capability of men.) Men are perfectly capable of filling this domestic role as well.

HappyJoy 15 hours ago|||
Fair - how does that account for the predominantly female FA population?
throwaway041207 11 hours ago|||
FAs have very interesting schedules. As they work up seniority they have a ton of flexibility in how they space apart their required minimum number of shifts/overnights. Trading shifts and bidding for shifts is common. Additionally at some point in their seniority ladder they can start getting a regular set of shifts that get them back home to base daily, with occasional overnights.

I suspect this institutional flexibility is actually a natural consequence of the gendered nature of the role.

xyzelement 15 hours ago|||
I don't think FA is a great job for a mom but it's not as horrible as pilot. FAs can switch shifts between themselves and dial up or down their hours with relative ease. Pilots have a lot less of this flexibility.
LastTrain 8 hours ago||
The schedules have negligible difference with respect to your original argument. So if busy schedules are why there are hardly any women pilots, why is the gender balance the exact opposite for flight attendants? There are reasons, and they aren't all because "men bad", but your initial argument is 100% not true based on the simple counterexample of flight attendants. What is being "papered over" is this: why, given the same schedules, are women under-represented in the higher paying, higher prestige job?
thaumasiotes 7 hours ago||
> why, given the same schedules, are women under-represented in the higher paying, higher prestige job?

Why do you believe they have the same schedules? There's no rule that says when a pilot follows one flight with another flight, all the flight attendants have to join him.

I don't think there's all that much inherent value in having several flights flown by the same pilot -- if anything, it's the reverse -- so I'd tend to suspect that the rarity of female pilots owes more to the fact that pilots come from the Air Force.

arrrg 8 hours ago|||
What evidence is this claim based on?
ani_k47 16 hours ago||
forgive me if I am wrong, but this comment sounds like we are trying to build a narrative. I might be wrong. No offense.
xyzelement 15 hours ago|||
Not sure the point. I was citing the article and sharing my reaction. What are you doing with the royal we?
inquirerGeneral 14 hours ago||
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khazhoux 13 hours ago||||
Is “build a narrative” code for something? The comment was pretty cut and dry as written.
ryandrake 12 hours ago||
"Narrative" is the code word people use when they want to act coy and not say what they really think. Edgy vagueness.
neonstatic 14 hours ago|||
The "sadly" comment in the article is also a narrative. No offense.
LastTrain 8 hours ago||
It isn't a narrative, it is simply a point of view. Are we happy there aren't more women pilots? That would be your POV.
neonstatic 5 hours ago||
The narrative is "it is important that genders are equally represented in all professions". The "sadly" indicates that - it assumes that equality of representation is good and expected, so the fact that it was found to not be the case is "sad".

> Are we happy there aren't more women pilots?

I'm sorry, what? Who's we? You and... ?

> That would be your POV

If you want to know my POV all you have to do is ask.