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Posted by ofrzeta 9 hours ago

Humanoid Robot Actuators(www.firgelli.com)
138 points | 61 commentspage 2
ramon156 5 hours ago|
I cannot un-see these left border hints, it's driving me crazy.
jFriedensreich 3 hours ago||
Its completely impossible to trust an article when half the diagrams have serious issues and headlines are worst slop indicators. I am sure the author is knowledgeable and spend some time on this. But please please, with butter, please, either spend the last 10% to get rid of these issues or just don't publish it! Keep it in your ai research gallery or if you want to publish that gallery as ai research?
modeless 6 hours ago||
AI was clearly heavily used in the making of this article, and I almost dismissed it as slop. But after reading it I think there's enough correct information here for it to be useful as a general overview of the problems in the space.
raphman 5 hours ago||
I believe that bad/wrong explanations are actually much worse than no explanations.

Many figures seem to be either missing key information (e.g. Fig. 5: the elliptical deformation is not shown - a human artist would have created a very different figure to explain the concept) or plain wrong (Fig. 6: the threaded rollers have the wrong orientation, Fig. 7: the ball is much too large for the bearing and the whole figure seems nonsensical at first glance).

And if the author did not spot these obvious problems with the figures, they either have no clue, accept sloppy work, or didn't even read the article they generated. That article is not really good advertising for the company's products.

(That the link behind the author's name leads to their Wikipedia article which seems to be a revised copy of the CV on their website is interesting, too.)

ramon156 5 hours ago||
They should've left out figure 6. it adds very little and the screws are wrong.
scotty79 3 hours ago||
AI that drew the diagram couldn't get it's neurons around how planetary screws in linear actuator should work.

Here's an actual schematic: https://ae-pic-a1.aliexpress-media.com/kf/Sd3fe9841e4ed4871b...

Why these screws are used instead of just threads? Because rolling friction is lower than sliding friction. You can use less or more of them trading friction for shock resistance.

itrunsdoomguy 4 hours ago||
Do they run Doom?
scotty79 3 hours ago||
I really like the idea of using two series elastic actuators in parallel on the same joint. This way motors acting in opposite direction can pre-tension the springs making the leg stiffer or softer. And if a lot of strength is needed they can act in the same direction summing their forces.

It should be fairly straightforward to control dynamically so you can use pretty much any motor and gearbox.

ReptileMan 6 hours ago||
Except we don't need 100% bipedal robots. Wheels are perfectly ok for majority of city work and factory floor.

Put the robot on rollerskates break the wheels for the occasional stair.

fragmede 1 hour ago|
I don't know about your city, but my city, while covered in smooth surfaces, still has a lot of interactions between those surfaces. Most of the roads have a curb between the sidewalk and the road, though the ADA means there's curb cuts and ramps. I don't know that I'd agree that they're "perfectly okay". Traversing over a 20 cm/8 inch obstacle constantly seems to make wheels less than perfect.
spwa4 4 hours ago||
TLDR: we don't have the actuators required to make humanoid locomotion work reliably.

Also: something every human actually kind of knows. You need to take impacts on muscles, not on mechanical connections. Even if we had the actuators required, you also need perfect control. The only way actuators can work this well is if they properly predict the impacts so that the power of the motor ("the magnetic field") can absorb nearly all the impact. If you try to take the impacts even on human bones (that are very solid and self-repairing) they will break surprisingly quickly.

My opinion is that the need for high reduction is only because we can't have high voltage on the motors. If we either had very small distances between the magnets and electrical wires (think micrometers), or we have voltages in the 100s to 1000s of volts, we don't have to make this poisoned choice. (in a way, VERY small distances between magnets and wires is how human and animal muscles do it. But they go all the way down to sub-10 nanometers)

regularfry 22 minutes ago|
Naively it feels like the improvements to resistive losses ought to be so dramatic from this that we must already be at some sort of equilibrium position. Double the voltage and divide the resistive losses by 4 - that's neither a trivial gain nor seemingly difficult to achieve? We're not talking kVs here.
Miles_Stone 7 hours ago|
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