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Posted by remote-dev 5 days ago

I am worried about Bun(wwj.dev)
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chr15m 5 days ago|
> team ships constantly

Why do people want this? Shipping constantly is how software breaks. You want tools that are good and stable, not constantly churning. I wish software developers would wake up to the idea that velocity is not a marker of quality.

cesarvarela 5 days ago|
Not shipping enough is how they die, too. It's hard to find a balance.
allthetime 5 days ago||
Not really.

Careful, focused work can easily sustain daily, or almost-daily, shipping. We've been doing it for decades without LLMs.

LLM-brain is pushing people into continuous by the hour shipping and it is absolutely unecessary and creating code at a rate that cannot possibly be kept up with in relation to quality, performance and security.

Sevii 5 days ago||
I don't know, I've been using Claude Code since it came out and it really doesn't seem to be getting worse.
JamesSwift 5 days ago||
I envy your experience. Its driving me crazy on a near daily basis now.
wombat-man 5 days ago|||
I'm still getting pretty good code out of it, but I only use it on side projects. Is the issue with their odd limit system?
JamesSwift 5 days ago||
Im on pay-per-use plans so its not the limits thats the issue directly, although the product development process could lead to them trying to fix limit issue and breaking the product as a whole.

The main issue is side effects of effort/thinking it seems. It hallucinates at a much higher rate and skips research in a ton of edge cases even with effort of MAX and disabling adaptive thinking, even on 4.6. Ive said before, but using opus today feels like using sonnet from ~October timeframe. Its not anywhere near what opus 4.5 in January felt like, or even opus 4.6 on release (notably 4.6 on release _really_ over-researched even simple tasks and that behavior is almost entirely gone now even with max effort so they are definitely re-tuning these things on the fly and degrading the experience as a result).

EDIT: I also have a very high suspicion that the way they hydrate thinking is buggy and/or lossy (or maybe unintentionally lossy which leads to bugs). So many behaviors just make no sense at the level I have my setup tuned (I have everything set to "just charge me the most money to hopefully get the best results") and the fact that I havent changed anything while using it daily for months and months on end, but have been getting worse and worse results.

hungryhobbit 5 days ago|||
Claude has definitely gotten stupider (even on the latest Opus).

I used to be able to give it certain commands, and reliably count on it to do the right thing. Lately I give it identical commands and it just starts doing something idiotic, instead of the correct thing (that it did 50 times prior).

To an earlier poster's point, it's probably the model, not the harness, and I understand Anthropic has to make money someday (and they're not now) ... but I'd rather see a visible doubling of price than a secret halving of the capabilities (which seems to be their current plan).

That approach is enshitification.

wombat-man 5 days ago|||
Yeah I have found worse results if I don't leave it on the highest setting. I have gotten by with Pro and a little overage buffer so far. I have found it working pretty well for what I'm using it for but I have really only been using it a couple months now.
JamesSwift 4 days ago||
A few weeks ago I went from 'high' to 'max' effort and got decent results. Since 4.7 went live it has regressed to how it was before (with the same settings).
wombat-man 4 days ago||
hm, ok, I guess as a newer user I just haven't noticed.
dgellow 5 days ago|||
But are you saying the harness is driving you insane? Or the model? Because Bun is,only the harness, and that part has been improving over time if you stay on the stable channel
JamesSwift 5 days ago|||
Its the product overall, and its impossible to say where the issues are but I tend to think not the model since the changes seem to be able to occur overnight. So likely a combo of harness and service-layer.
redsocksfan45 5 days ago|||
Which of the two is responsible for it ignoring being in Plan mode and trying to implement shit instead of just writing up a plan?
dgellow 5 days ago||
The model I believe. Also a pet peeve of mine…
Rekindle8090 5 days ago||
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0sql 5 days ago||
Does bun have a formal roadmap? I occasionally see some the changes that Jarred posts on X, and I wonder if they're really meaningful or not (perf improvements are always good). It also seems like a lot of the recent contributions are ai authored.

I tried using bun for a project earlier this year and learned that you can't use testcontainers(works fine w/ Deno).

papichulo2023 5 days ago|
I dont think so, but recent release includes a terminal markdown renderer built-in which means, even if handy, most of the focus is to make Claud Code great. I am not worried though, at least no yet.
AtNightWeCode 5 days ago||
One thing is sure. Claude has become terrible. Criticize any code Opus 4.7 created and it starts a blame game. Also. It denies that a version 4.7 even exists. Will look into moving back to ChatGPT that I quit because the mandatory spyware bs they added which I believe they nuked.
stopachka 5 days ago||
This post seems to "throw doubt" on Bun, based on the OP's experience of Claude Code. But this seems unnecessary indirect. It's not like Bun is hidden software: it's open source and actively developed.

So the more direct question would be: How has Bun actually been since the acquisition?

From what I can tell they have been responding to users as fast as before, and improving the product as well as before.

butterlesstoast 5 days ago||
>Even though I personally am moving some projects away from Bun, don't take my advice as gospel.

Always appreciated nuance.

remote-dev 5 days ago|
These are just my opinions man :)
DrBenCarson 5 days ago||
I made this exact same decisions (bun -> pnpm) for similar reasons, mostly bc I didn’t like how haphazardly a core part of the stack was being vibe coded. Too many changes too quickly for something that’s supposed to be stable
MoonWalk 5 days ago||
"I want a serious Node.js alternative."

Then you could have been using Deno, like many of us, for years.

qudat 5 days ago|
Wild example as it has been corrupted by VC money as well. I wouldn’t touch deno either.
mark_and_sweep 5 days ago|||
What do you mean by corrupted?

Been using Deno happily for many years now.

Did I miss anything?

kigiri 4 days ago||
Nothing, Deno raised capital back in 22

https://deno.com/blog/series-a

b40d-48b2-979e 4 days ago|||
Corrupted how?
esafak 5 days ago||
Don't fret; the creator of mise has released a faster alternative: https://github.com/endevco/aube
exographicskip 4 days ago|
Big mise fan. Basically took the baton from asdf and added way better performance and dx.

Odd that aube is missing deno from their benchmarks though

james2doyle 5 days ago|
Maybe look at https://void.cloud/ (Edit: sorry, meant https://viteplus.dev/, not Void cloud)

They are not a runtime, but they do seem to be interested in wrapping a lot of tools with simple top-level commands

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