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Posted by cft 5 days ago

Microsoft Edge stores all passwords in memory in clear text, even when unused(twitter.com)
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kronks 5 days ago|
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rahadbhuiya 4 days ago||
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animanoir 5 days ago||
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LunicLynx 5 days ago||
You are absolutely right, having copilot does not help at all here.
thumbsup-_- 5 days ago||
Its Microsoft doing Microsoft things
washingupliquid 5 days ago|
Linux stores plenty of passwords in clear text in /etc and $HOME and this is considered acceptable by most users. These same people also believe the TPM is a spy chip.
simonh 5 days ago|||
You really need to upgrade to UNIX Version 6 or later. Some of the improvements since 1974 are well worth having.
vondur 5 days ago||||
Really in /etc plain text? I could see some random app possibly doing that somewhere in ~/.config, but I don't think Linux itself stores passwords in plain text for systemwide use.
tgv 5 days ago||
I think the commenter means that some Linux applications store the passwords they need for access to external resources in plain text.
abhinavk 5 days ago||||
You know `/etc/passwd` doesn't really have passwords in it.
josefritzishere 5 days ago||||
I thought Linux stored plain text credentials owned by root that require elevated permissions.
cwillu 5 days ago|||
> Linux stores plenty of passwords in plain text in /etc

That's gonna be a big ol' [CITATION NEEDED] from me, dawg.

SoftTalker 5 days ago|||
Wifi passwords in /etc/netplan files, is one I can think of.
fragmede 5 days ago|||
I haven't solved the problem of sensitive .env files sitting around on my computer.
spacemule 5 days ago||
`sops exec-env`

I have an alias set for when I'm working with opentofu:

`alias tfenter='sops exec-env secrets.yaml "/bin/bash"'`

I encrypt with openbao's transit engine and backup age key kept in a password manager, so no secrets live on disk.

jdlyga 5 days ago||
My brain stores all my passwords in memory in clear text too
WolfeReader 5 days ago||
Please use a dedicated password manager, instead of a browser-based one. KeePass is likely the best going forward.
sedatk 5 days ago||
@taviso had claimed the exact opposite: https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html

EDIT: Yes, he claimed that for online password managers, not keepass. I thought the argument was about password managers in general.

busterarm 5 days ago|||
That's not what that is saying. It's saying don't use an _online_ password manager instead of the browser one. In the very opening they state that simple implementations are great and even lists some. Then the rest of the article dives specifically into online password managers, which are something else.
sedatk 5 days ago||
You're right. Edited my comment.
echelon_musk 5 days ago||||
Where?

> Good examples of simple and safe password managers are keepass and keepassx

WolfeReader 5 days ago|||
Browser-based password management serves the purpose of locking users into a specific browser; I'd much rather have the freedom to switch browsers at will without the cognitive tax of securely moving all my creds every time I want to switch my main browser.
sedatk 5 days ago||
I agree. It's especially problematic when you use different browsers on different devices and operating systems.
75central 5 days ago|||
Out of curiosity, why KeePass versus Bitwarden? I've been using Bitwarden for years, but if there's a specific reason I should be using KeePass instead, I'm open to changing.
dcanelhas 5 days ago|||
KeePass is just an encrypted database file with UI around it for usability. You can keep the db on a USB drive, sync it through a cloud storage, e-mail it to yourself, whatever ... It's really not that complicated. BitWarden is the above as a service, I reckon.

Nb. The above refers to KeePassX. No idea what the KeePass without the x is about. Naming things. So hard.

justsomehnguy 5 days ago||||
It's a program with a file database.

No fancy browser plugins, the ability to autotype, the db file could be synced with anything you can sync files.

Working search - not sure about BW, but it's opensource implementation (Vaultwarden nowadays?) simply didn't allow to search for the fields you didn't scroll yet to.

The biggest problem is lack of multi-edit functionality - you need keep it in mind if you leave somehwere a copy running 24/7.

WolfeReader 5 days ago||||
Bitwarden has taken investor money, sadly. It's still in good shape for the moment. But the time will come when they place profits above other needs; it's a matter of when, not if.
jazzyjackson 5 days ago||
Luckily offering enterprise / credential sharing features is a decent freemium model. It still wins out in keeping compatibility with self hosted vaultwarden, are there other extensions that let you point to your own domain for the encrypted blob storage?
kelvinjps10 5 days ago|||
Bitwarden is cloud bases keepass is local
Someone1234 5 days ago||
If it is a process, running in the same user context, with the ability to read/dump arbitrary memory -- As the KeePass database is decrypted it would "store all passwords in memory in plain text" too.

The fix isn't Edge Vs. Chrome. Vs KeePass Vs. Bitwarden, it is "How do I have my passwords exist in a different execution context than [evil process able to read all memory]?"

Android and iOS have an "answer" to this problem. Desktop OSs having all processes running side by side in the user's execution context, do not. It is only as secure as the least secure process running.

dist-epoch 5 days ago|||
Windows already has a secure kernel credential store, they could move the Edge password store there with a bit of effort, minimize the splash damage when you retrieve a single password to send over HTTP from the regular user space.

> Credential Guard prevents credential theft attacks by protecting NTLM password hashes, Kerberos Ticket Granting Tickets (TGTs), and credentials stored by applications as domain credentials.

> Credential Guard uses Virtualization-based security (VBS) to isolate secrets so that only privileged system software can access them.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/identity-...

jazzyjackson 5 days ago||||
Windows 11* and MacOS also do the job as long as you're using hardware bound passkeys.

* I don't want to speak past my own experience so checking my work, Windows can store passkeys in a TPM if available but falls back to storing on disk... https://helgeklein.com/blog/checking-windows-hello-for-busin...

xaduha 5 days ago||
I was looking for an answer to this when it comes to using Edge password manager in particular, it uses Windows Hello as far as I know and while it does make 'synced' passkeys they don't seem to be usable anywhere than the original machine. Useful when reinstalling Windows at least.

https://yourpasskeyisweak.com does not mention Edge.

WolfeReader 5 days ago||||
This makes me miss running Qubes a few years ago, and keeping BitWarden in a separate VM from everything else. I've never felt as secure as when I had that setup.
johanyc 4 days ago||
Why did you stop?
WolfeReader 4 days ago||
It was on a work computer, and my next job was a lot less permissive about letting us run our own OS.

My personal computer is too gaming-focused to be a good candidate for Qubes.

wat10000 5 days ago|||
I'm pretty sure macOS is more like iOS in this respect. At the very least, the passwords are typically secured biometrically and only the one being used is actually decrypted at the time of use.
OptionOfT 5 days ago||
I think in general one should not assume anything in Edge is done correctly. Microsoft Edge is the place where things get tried out my Microsoft, that's why it changes so fast. It has a built-in updater that is not tied to Windows update, and as such they can iterate incredibly fast.
mghackerlady 5 days ago||
Why wouldn't it? What else would you expect from the p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ masochists who subjected us to internet explorer
fsflover 5 days ago|
I don't understand, who are all these people who care about security and at the same time are using Microsoft Edge. Could someone enlighten me? Does it have some specific features that somebody needs?
dev1ycan 5 days ago|
They have what I think is the best implementation of vertical tabs, chrome doesn't even have them, firefox is so far behind it's not even funny anymore... brave's is terrible.