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Posted by john-doe 3 hours ago

Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent(www.thatprivacyguy.com)
313 points | 323 comments
jbub 3 hours ago|
https://archive.ph/vhTfm
scriptsmith 2 hours ago||
If Chrome has the #optimization-guide-on-device-model and #prompt-api-for-gemini-nano flags enabled, either because it's part of some Origin Trial / Early Stable Release or something, then web pages will have access to the new Prompt API which allows any webpage to initiate the (one-time) download of the ~2.7 GiB CPU or ~4.0 GiB GPU model using LanguageModel.create()

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/prompt-api

When Chrome 148 releases tomorrow, this will be the default behaviour on desktop.

To download, it should check for 22 GiB free disk space on the volume where your Chrome data dir is, and at least double the model size of free space in your tmp dir.

wuschel 2 hours ago||
It is a small model, so what utility can I / Google expect from it? What is the on-board model used for?
2ndorderthought 1 hour ago|||
It's not a very good small model to be honest.

That said, you might be surprised to learn that some of the models from 3b-9b could probably replace 80% of the things nonvibe coders use chatgpt for.

Its a good idea to run small models locally if your computer can host them for privacy and cash saving reasons. But how can you trust Google to autoinstall one on your machine in 2026? I just couldn't do it.

scriptsmith 2 hours ago|||
It's based on Gemma 3n, and it's not the best.

I find it works fine for simple classification, translation, interpretation of images & audio. It can write longer prose, but it's pretty bad.

It can also write text in the format of a JSON schema or regexp for anything you might want to do with structured data.

Wowfunhappy 3 minutes ago||
I wonder why they’re using Gemma 3 and not Gemma 4?
tobylane 2 hours ago||
Those two (and more) exist in chrome://flags in Chrome 147. I'm disabling them now, with the expectation that will prevent the new default.

One option I'm leaving as default is "Use LiteRT-LM runtime for on-device model service inference." Any comment on that?

RaiausderDose 1 minute ago|||
I'm on Chrome 147 too and disabled:

optimization-guide-on-device-model:

- Enables optimization guide on device

prompt-api-for-gemini-nano:

- Prompt API for Gemini Nano

- Prompt API for Gemini Nano with Multimodal Input

and deleted weights.bin.

Will report if Chrome 148 downloads the model again.

scriptsmith 2 hours ago|||
Those flags will exist already, but will default to enabled in 148.

That other flag is for using a different open-source inference engine to the (from what I can tell) closed-source one that's used by default.

doginasuit 10 minutes ago||
"Silently installs" is misleading. They are including a file in the package which is presumably related to the functionality of the software. I don't use chrome for a long list of reasons but it is not standard or expected to get consent for that.
toyg 53 minutes ago||
How hard would have been to add a simple message, warning people about it and offering to opt out? Most would have clicked OK without reading anyway, and Google could pretend they give a shit about users. Unless they expected blowback, and that kind of message is the "compromise" they want to eventually land on.
wolvoleo 40 minutes ago||
They don't want you to opt out. Then they can't brag to the shareholders about Chrome being "AI Powered"

You're not even the customer when it comes to Google.

data-ottawa 21 minutes ago||
I was not happy when they added Gemini to the top bar, in its own place that nothing else gets to use.
ssss11 8 minutes ago||
Because we must get what the tech overlords want us to get, not what we want to get.
jacquesm 3 hours ago||
Not on my devices. Auto update has been abused so often now that it is an embarrassment to the industry. Auto update should be for bug fixes and security issues only.
z3t4 2 hours ago||
Auto update is basically a root backdoor, it's especially troublesome when you are not the customer, you are the product!
dist-epoch 5 minutes ago||
Yes, which is why I use paid-for OSes and browsers, instead of free ones like Linux or Firefox. I don't want to be the product.
fsflover 3 hours ago||
This is exactly how it works on Debian. Can recommend.
jacquesm 3 hours ago||
Guess what runs my PC. Tech companies just don't understand consent.
Waterluvian 2 minutes ago|||
I think they do. They just don’t care. We’re the fleetingly small percentage of nerds in the corner who will notice and complain. Were useful to them for other reasons but we’re not really the concern here.

It’s probably a business misplay to tell the other 99% of users about something they weren’t going to think about. But if by chance it goes awry and there’s outcry, just apologize and commit to do better.

dspillett 24 minutes ago||||
It is almost the standard:

    Q: Does <company> understand consent?
    A: No / Maybe Later
but the Google version is:

    Q: Does <company> understand consent?
    A: No / Maybe Later / we did it anyway, you'll need to search to find out how to turn it off, maybe ask the new AI model we've just back-door installed?
bell-cot 28 minutes ago|||
> ... don't understand consent.

The word you're looking for is "respect". They understand consent, the same as JBS* understands animal rights.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBS_N.V.

dotcoma 3 hours ago||
Why use a browser from Google or Microsoft in 2026? Why in the world?
CalRobert 2 hours ago||
I have no idea but when I mention Firefox my colleagues under 35 or so literally think I'm joking.
heavyset_go 2 hours ago|||
They've been consuming 15+ years of anti-Mozilla rants anytime it or Firefox are mentioned online.

It's how you get things like "Browser monocultures are an issue, so don't use Chrome (Blink), use Brave (Chromium (Blink)) instead!" said in earnest.

eastbound 2 minutes ago|||
If Mozilla fired its CEO for a private political donation from 10 years earlier, it will not hesitate to do much worse to its users. Mozilla isn’t on the good side here.

He’s the founder of Brave, by the way.

CalRobert 2 hours ago||||
The more time goes on the more I feel like I live on a different planet. Even things like "shouldn't you be able to decide what software you run on the stuff you own?" gets blank stares.
2ndorderthought 1 hour ago||
Hello fellow extraterrestrial
Schlagbohrer 28 minutes ago||
Old heads checking in... Back in my day, we had an exposed file hierarchy and we liked it!
CalRobert 9 minutes ago||
I still remember "oh my friend's iphone has a nice camera, how can I send myself that picture he took with bluetooth?" and being... a bit surprised that it wasn't really possible.
avazhi 44 minutes ago||||
I’ve been using Firefox for 20+ years and continue to do so, but let’s not pretend that Firefox hasn’t been an embarrassing shit show for most of the past 15.
tgv 2 minutes ago|||
Ok, then. What shitshow? Does it not pale in comparison to Chrome and Edge?
glenstein 15 minutes ago||||
People keep saying this like it's just conventional wisdom we all supposedly agree with. I think it's a string of tech articles and spiraling comment sections searching for drama that's kind of been a self-perpetuating phenomenon over the past 3 or 4 years the majority of which I think has been extremely unfair and mostly just based on vibes. If you actually scroll through HN and read the criticisms, they tend to trail off into vague phrases like "all the stuff they've been doing".

If people read the release notes instead of the comment sections, not only would they have a lot more specific knowledge of the work going into the browser but they wouldn't be locked in this cycle of outrage and escalation that normally you only see in YouTube comment sections.

DarkUranium 40 minutes ago|||
I'd recommend checking out WaterFox. It's what I switched to when I finally got sick & tired of Mozilla's shit.
4ggr0 22 minutes ago||
i really feel like trying this out as a quasi-firefox user, but i've really started to love and appreciate Zen for its UI :( wonder if there's a Waterfox X Zen alternative.

EDIT: whoops, should've scrolled down a bit on the website, looks like Waterfox has vertical tabs as well. damn, probably going to try to migrate to it sometime soon...

EDIT2: of course supports firefox extensions as well, perfect.

DarkUranium 41 minutes ago|||
I mean ... frankly, and I say this as a guy who's used solely Firefox since before it was Firefox all the way until 2025 when I finally got sick & tired of their shit... (now on WaterFox because I refuse to submit to the Google browser monopoly)

... Mozilla absolutely did this to themselves. Come think of it, they really remind me of what Microsift's been doing with Windows.

seszett 1 minute ago||
I still don't understand what problem you guys have with Firefox. I really don't, and comments like yours are always very vague and seem to assume that it's obvious.

For me Firefox is (slightly) better than is used to be, not by a wide margin but it's not gotten worse either.

I've been running it since it was Phoenix so I think my experience is at least somewhat valid, which is why I'm so confused by these comments.

jeroenhd 2 hours ago|||
When Google stuffs AI into everything, people shrug. Can't expect anything else from big tech.

When Firefox does it, it sparks outrage across the internet, with entire forums filled with people vowing to leave Firefox forever and switching to something like Waterfor or Ilp/Zorp/Floop instead.

As a result, searching for experiences other people had with Firefox makes it sound like hell on earth, while people have little more to say about Chrome other than "Google gonna Google, but it's fast at least".

notabotiswear 1 minute ago|||
I, being a Firefox user with practically zero Chromium use, would air my grievances when the Mozilla does something I disagree with more than I would when Google does. And I would expect that most Firefox users are of the kind who have strong opinions about how their computers work.

You wouldn’t throw the same fit if [insert dictator you don’t have high expectations of here] shot a hundred random civilians compared to if your government did, no?

expedition32 46 minutes ago||||
Mozilla is nice enough to let you opt out.

I'm in my 40s I have no desire for this new technology unless we get the kind of AI from Japanese anime.

ElFitz 3 minutes ago||
Offering something like a local Gemma 4 (though apparently not what we get here) to web apps via a browser API could change UX quite drastically. Possibly for the better. We had a project where it could have been nice.
nalekberov 50 minutes ago|||
> When Google stuffs AI into everything, people shrug. Can't expect anything else from big tech.

Because this is something expected from Google. Google has never committed to security, but Mozilla did.

jeroenhd 6 minutes ago|||
Google has invested massively into security. On various platforms (non-Chromium Linux excluded), Google Chrome uses advanced defence-in-depth that make Chrome much more secure than Firefox on the same machine. Their origin-based process separation make Chrome a memory hog but protect tab processes from each other in a way Firefox doesn't bother with just yet.

Chrome may be a privacy nightmare, but in terms of security it beats Mozilla.

The_Rob 42 minutes ago|||
Google has invested significantly in security. I believe you are referring to privacy?
CalRobert 3 minutes ago|||
Having rock-solid security for quietly transferring all of your deeply personal and private data to Google feels like a win for the pedants, but a loss for everyone else.
dspillett 17 minutes ago|||
This is a significant point. To many people security includes privacy, which is a fair assumption: in a non-evil timeline user privacy will be one of the first-class components high on the priority list for being secured. Unfortunately companies and the people high up running them only care about their own privacy¹, everyone else is expected to be grateful that we are being stalked so we can be targetted for sales purposes.

--------

[1] Follow one of them around the way they track us online, or let out a bit of information about, for example, their tax affairs, and see how fast lawyers or law enforcement arrive on your doorstep…

sevenzero 3 hours ago|||
What browsers would you recommend? I use Brave but it's still Chromium under the hood. It's the only one that I never had trouble with adblock though. Also lets me play youtube on mobile when my screen is locked.
yard2010 51 minutes ago|||
Vivaldi - built in ad blocker, the creator is a nice guy, transparent business model. It might be rough around the edges, but it's much better from every alternative imho.
robin_reala 32 minutes ago||
…and Chromium under the hood.
chinathrow 2 hours ago||||
Firefox.
dickeeT 41 minutes ago|||
is it as greedy as chrome for the ram?
dspillett 13 minutes ago|||
In my recent experience: definitely yes, though not significantly worse. Unless you have [many] hundreds of tabs open (which I do as I have neither executive function nor organisational skills), or have a machine with very limited RAM, I don't think you'll notice a difference.

This is anecdata, of course, take with a pinch of your preferred flavouring powder.

theandrewbailey 26 minutes ago|||
Yes: https://www.phoronix.com/review/firefox-chrome-2026/4

> Chrome also came in at slightly lower memory consumption across all the benchmarks with total memory usage on average at 4.67GB to Firefox at 4.83GB.

sevenzero 2 hours ago|||
Does it allow me to play youtube on locked screen on mobile?
dspillett 6 minutes ago|||
Even youtube's app itself doesn't allow that unless you pay. I suspect they've nobbled most browsers into not allowing it, either by technical measures or (more likely) the strong-arm tactic of saying “if you don't block this we'll find a way to make the entire of youtube practically unusable on your browser”.

I've been using Grayjay recently which does allow that, amongst a number of other useful features (integrating other media sources, lack of adverts every few minutes in some content). Might be worth considering as an option.

purerandomness 3 minutes ago||||
Why not simply use NewPipe [0]?

You also get ad filtering and you can download Audio/Video streams from within the app.

[0] https://newpipe.net/

sham1 2 hours ago||||
Yes, actually!

Well, it does require you to install an extension[0], but it can be done.

[0]: <https://github.com/mozilla/video-bg-play>

sevenzero 2 hours ago||
Thats good to know, but I am a "out of the box" person. I never want to have to manually install extensions as thats just more stuff to remember when setting up a new machine. Yea thats a me problem, but still.
input_sh 1 hour ago|||
It used to support it out-of-the-box as well, but it's technically against YouTube's ToS to allow this without paying for a premium, so now you need this as an extra hoop.
robin_reala 31 minutes ago||
Why should a browser be policing YouTube’s ToS for them?
input_sh 27 minutes ago||
Wouldn't know, as I have never been in charge of one, but I imagine Google having the power to make your browser completely irrelevant would be a pretty strong incentive.
kioleanu 1 hour ago|||
You want to have your cake and eat it too, I think the best solution in your case is paying for youtube
sevenzero 1 hour ago||
Or I just keep using brave and not pay for the biggest media corpo that just passed Disney in revenue.
lukan 2 hours ago||||
It allows you to play youtube without ads with ublock origin.
sevenzero 2 hours ago||
I used ublock origin for a while, but I kept having issues with it on Youtube due to Youtubes anti adblock measurements. Brave for some reason always had a fix for it pretty quickly, so I never experienced these issues with it. Maybe I could try a different browser again on my next machine.
freehorse 2 hours ago||||
In iOS kinda yes; you have to request desktop version, and once you activate the lock screen for the first time you have to press “play”. Then it just plays and auto plays in the background.

Don’t know about android, but there is also an extension there that blocks the visibility page api for YouTube.

tdeck 2 hours ago||||
Yes. That's the primary reason I use it, but you have to install an extension called "Video Background Play Fix".
ranger_danger 2 hours ago|||
Tubular app does, and it blocks ads
StingyJelly 2 hours ago||||
Brave origin on linux looks pretty solid now. Now I'm using that and Librewolf.
dwedge 2 hours ago|||
I will never use Brave after the debacle where they injected content into sites downloaded over HTTPS to pretend people were promoting their crypto token and adding a "donate" button on the page.
StingyJelly 2 hours ago||
That made me avoid it for a long time but there hasn't been more concerning behavior since, so some point, we can move on.
dwedge 2 hours ago||
Did they ever address it? It's still the same company with presumably the same ideals. I was using it daily at the time, maybe it's better now.
a96 58 minutes ago||
Brave is a series scam company. Always has been, always will be.
sevenzero 2 hours ago||||
I just checked it out, but it removes Tor access? It would pretty much downgrade the regular browser
StingyJelly 2 hours ago||
I think using tor in brave just makes you stand out more - stock tor browser is probably a better setup. Whonix even better.
heavyset_go 2 hours ago||
It helps if you're doing mundane things and want to help people who need to mix their sensitive traffic with it.

More people "legitimately" using Tor makes it less likely to have its exit nodes outright blocked, as well, and assuming all traffic from them is malicious.

StingyJelly 2 hours ago||
That's charitable, but even then you probably want to avoid fingerprinting...
anthk 2 hours ago|||
Brave it's spyware, keep going with Librewolf. You can disable some fingerprinting support for WebGL -but- you need UBo for sure (and JShelter).
kuerbel 2 hours ago||||
I still use Firefox. It does all I need with no ads. That's nice.
dotcoma 2 hours ago|||
Currently using Helium.
sevenzero 2 hours ago||
This one looks neat, is it also based on Chromium?
dotcoma 1 hour ago||
Yes.
braggerxyz 1 hour ago|||
Exactly my thoughts. There are so many good alternatives already, it's insane to me that people still use this garbage. LibreWolf is a godsend
thyristan 3 hours ago|||
I agree. This is Google doing underhanded Google-things. Why the hell would anyone trust them in the first place?
pjmlp 45 minutes ago|||
Why in the world do people keep shipping Chrome with their pseudo native applications?
k_bx 3 hours ago|||
I use Chrome because at Google Meet it renders a nice separate window with mute/unmute controls as you switch to another tab and screen share.

Curious if Google plans to allow other browsers doing that too.

utopiah 2 hours ago||
You could use Chromium just for Google Meet. That's what I do. I have Chromium relatively up to date that I basically solely use when I need to. It can be Google Meet, or Teams, or whatever was purposely botched in order NOT to work with Firefox, basically sabotage, but it can also be very rare cases like Lego Spike or GrapheneOS Web installer which require WebUSB.

99.99% I do not need Chromium but when I do, it's worth the ~200MB of used space.

jangxx 2 hours ago|||
It's the browser that annoys me the least. Almost everything just works.
jimbob45 2 hours ago|||
What are the alternatives? Only a massively moneyed corp has the resources to fight vulns at acceptable rates. Firefox doesn’t count because they’re being funded by Google.
0x0203 2 hours ago|||
I don't understand this perspective. How can one accept the objectively more user hostile option because the less hostile one gets money from the other. If one objects to using products funded by google, why is there not also an objection to using products from google?

For as long as the funding for Firefox continues, it remains a viable option. And despite all their bad decisions of late, they still give users the ability to configure or disable user hostile components.

Their funding model is a risk, but I've been using Firefox and librewolf forever and I'd argue it's a much better option than chrome or edge, especially with a handful of plugins. A risk is still better than the actual realization of the risk.

dotcoma 2 hours ago||||
In the short term, Helium (if, like me, you can’t live without Chrome’s bookmarks). In the medium term, perhaps Ladybird. In the long term, we’re all dead.
ranger_danger 2 hours ago||
I think they were looking for browsers that aren't based on Chromium or Gecko, which, for something still regularly updated and works with most websites, I think webkit is the only real alternative.
ranger_danger 2 hours ago|||
Anything webkit-based and open source like Epiphany or Konqueror/Rekonq, it matches your "moneyed corp" requirement (Apple).
hacker_homie 2 hours ago||
Because ladybird isn’t alpha yet, and Firefox is a mess.
Sharlin 2 hours ago|||
What mess? I only ever used Chrome as my main browser for a short while when Firefox had become rather bloaty and had slow JS, and Chrome was small and nimble. But that was something like fifteen years ago. Firefox works, is plenty fast these days, and only eats most of my RAM compared to Chrome which takes all of it, and serves me a web devoid of almost all ads and most trackers.
hacker_homie 2 hours ago||
From a funding standpoint there’s no future to Firefox. They will get brought Mozilla foundation is an investment fund now. Firefox it dead weight.
tdeck 2 hours ago|||
This isn't particularly relevant to whether you should use it right now though. If there's a restaurant I like but it might go out of business in a year I don't stop eating there today.
vrganj 2 hours ago|||
Firefox is open source :)
anthk 2 hours ago|||
Firefox has a complete UBo unlike the Chrom* corporateware turd which is just Microsoft 2.0 from Google. Chrome instead of IE, and propietary JS code for Google services such as Youtube -deliberately made slower in Firefox- as the new Active X shoved down your throat in order to keep a monopoly.

With Librewolf I can get proper WebGL, full UBo -with the AI blocklist too to avoid all the slop- and Bypass Paywall Clean from Giflic or whatever was called. Yeah, eh, y local newspaper won't mainly get adverts' money but the rest of local company ads show up well even with UBo/BPC, so they get some money after all.

On RAM usage, Librewolf it's far lighter on the long term and it doesn't ping back as Firefox, and many times less than Chrom* based browsers where, I repeat, Chrome based browsers don't allow UBo any more even if installed from their Github repo enforcing some about:flags variables related to legacy extension support.

The web today without UBo it's unmanageable. Popus, more than the ones from 2003, malware disguised as ads even on mainstream, safe sites, and all of these running zillions of cookies and trackers converting your -otherwise perfectly usable- old amd64 Celeron machine with 2GB of RAM into some crawling Pentium III with 256MB of RAM. With LibreWolf and UBo I could even test Yandex Maps with Prypiat and the like and InstantStreetView too. No slowdowns, no OpenGL >= 3.3/Vulkan video card required, and no need to own a 8GB machine.

HN developers there without UBo if they depend on the web for documentation they are bit screwed if they use Chrom* based browsers, sorry. Half of the resources for their machines coudn't be used, you know for IDE's, compilers, virtual machines/containers and whatnot. And, yes, I know about ZRAM under GNU/Linux, and just imagine how many tasks would anyone accomplish with a ZRAM compressed chunk (~1/3 of the physical RAM), a light desktop environment as Lumina/LXQT and a non-Chrom* browser blocking all pests. Up to 3X more tasks in the same machine. No need to waste money on upgrades, and compilng cycles are cut down for the good.

Numerlor 46 minutes ago||
Ublock origin works perfectly fine on Edge. With Firefox I've also had ram usage that was multiples of what I get with Edge, on both Linux and Windows
TheServitor 3 hours ago||
Framing 4GB of data moving in a world of petabytes of traffic as a specific environmental disaster is kind of a stretch, regardless of whether we want the model.
x3ro 12 minutes ago||
Chrome is used by about 3.8 billion people [1]. So, if this is rolled out to every chrome user over the next year or two, this would generate about 15 Exabytes of traffic. It's difficult to find accurate, useful numbers on this, but lets assume 29 grams of CO2e per GB, this would be about 450k tons of CO2e. This in turn, equates to average household CO2 expenditure of almost 300k households.

So make your own judgement, but this seem pretty significant to me.

[1]: https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/global-chrome-user-base/ [2]: https://www.iea.org/commentaries/the-carbon-footprint-of-str... [3]: https://www.anthesisgroup.com/insights/what-exactly-is-1-ton...

oriettaxx 2 hours ago|||
I do not agree: I live by the sea and this is exactly the answer I get when I talk about trash in the sea. I personally appreciate even more that kind of "stretch" then the privacy one (which could be another "stretch" on getting closer to 1984 scenario)
TheServitor 1 hour ago||
I guess you can write an article about every new gigabyte released, and we can use more gigabytes talking about it, but other than that I don't see that any one gigabyte of software I don't want is especially more noteworthy than any other gigabyte of software I don't want.

An xBox game can be 50+ gigs. Millions of gamers. Fire up the presses!

I'm not at all saying nothing matters so we shouldn't care. I just disagree about the utility of calling out specific things out of proportion to their place in the climate crisis. Tackle AI, yes, and fast fashion and cars, and ... that one change to Chrome? I guess if that's where you want to put your energy, Sisyphus.

salviati 2 hours ago|||
Your word might be of petabytes of traffic. Some people have slow lines. Some people have metered Internet subscriptions.

Not everyone has access to the same infrastructure you have.

derangedHorse 9 minutes ago|||
It's somewhat known that Chrome isn't catering to those users. They aim to deliver feature-rich experiences rather than be the de-facto browser for resource-constrained devices.
SilverSurfer972 2 hours ago||||
Or just tethering abroad with an esim data plan... Just opening chrome would deplete your quota and leave you stranded. Google you are sick!
efdee 1 hour ago||
Surely it will wait when the connection is marked as metered.
user_7832 1 hour ago||
I definitely trust Google's team (and large trillion dollar companies with sufficient resources to do this) to make reasonable choices for their users... said, perhaps, someone ever? Certainly not me.

(I wanted to write something far snarkier and sarcastic but getting annoyed at google is like getting annoyed at a lawnmower/Oracle. That plus HN guidelines.)

handoflixue 2 hours ago|||
Okay, but that's still not an environmental disaster.
tthu1 2 hours ago|||
What is a lot of traffic to you?

2.5 million downloads of 4 GB are 10 PB of traffic.

I think there are be a lot more than 2.5 million Chrome users in the world.

acchow 4 minutes ago|||
Wikipedia say 3.6 billion Chrome users.
bcjdjsndon 40 minutes ago||||
More data moves in your average playstation system update than that. Steam probably transmits more in a morning than that
DarkUranium 34 minutes ago||
There are far more Google Chrome users than probably PlayStation & Steam users combined.

Also, someone installing Steam is going to expect large downloads, hell, the platform tells you the size as you're about to start the download.

I don't think anyone expects a browser to suddenly download 4GB, let alone behind their backs!

derangedHorse 7 minutes ago||
Have you ever watched a 2 hour lecture on Youtube? Next time check the memory consumption of the open tab.
Jleagle 2 hours ago|||
You only download it when some JS requests it for the first time, most people will never have it.
sigmoid10 2 hours ago|||
Do you think this will not be part of some google product? On top of their normal agenda, this seems perfectly suited for them to push their AI models. So if you use anything from Google via Chrome, I would expect that this will end up on your device sooner or later.
sgbeal 1 hour ago||||
> You only download it when some JS requests it for the first time, most people will never have it.

i certainly never activated it willfully. i use Chrome only as a fallback testing platform for web dev - a handful of times per month - yet both Chrome Stable and Chrome Unstable had installed this 4GB monstrosity in my home dir. 8GB of junk i'd never used. Both have since been uninstalled and replaced with Chromium.

bluehex 1 hour ago||||
I never intentionally used any AI features in Chrome but first was made aware of the models when my disk was running out of space. I investigated with a disk usage tool and found I had multiple versions of the model in my Chrome directory taking up ~12gb. This was about half a year ago and maybe I was in a bad experiment or something but it's definitely not opt in or user visible. Less tech savvy people will have a really hard time understanding why their disk space is running low.
tthu1 2 hours ago||||
You estimate more or less than 2.5 million?

If you google OptGuideOnDeviceModel, there’s already a lot of results of people asking what it is an how they can delete them. It’s not some kind of obscure niche feature.

I wonder when the first crypto miner-like malware appears that offloads model usage to the client computers.

bakugo 2 hours ago|||
I suspect it's not that simple. Last week I noticed I already had it downloaded on one of my devices, even though I'm sure the number of websites already using this API is miniscule.
zekrioca 2 hours ago|||
The same old individualistic fallacy [1] of highlighting individual effects to hide global effects, all while compromising user privacy. In reality this will be continuous million of devices downloading these useless weight files.

[1] Used since forever by the Tobacco & Pharmaceutical, Fossil Fuels & Climate, Food & Diet Industries.

handoflixue 2 hours ago|||
Amazing how many people missed the "environmental disaster" part of this post and are talking about personal inconvenience.

Sorry folks, your low bandwidth situation is not, in fact, a climate change emergency.

zeafoamrun 11 minutes ago|||
Agreed, my eyes rolled hard at that. Definitely more of an F-U to users with bad connections than anything else.
thrance 1 hour ago|||
4Gb times 2,000,000,000 chrome installs gives us 8,000 petabytes. Are we allowed to worry now?
frnz 1 hour ago|||
60.000.000 kg ÷ 1.000.000.000 user

is about 60 gramms of co2 per user?

CamelCaseCondo 1 hour ago||
Which ullustrates that humanity has reached such numbers that the smallest collective change has an enormous impact.
bcjdjsndon 37 minutes ago||
How do you propose maintaining the living conditions you've become accustomed to without the system we have currently, as shit as it is?
CamelCaseCondo 12 minutes ago||
There’s the problem: we want change without giving up the things we’re accustomed to. We’re locked in.
mschuster91 2 hours ago|||
There are multiple problems here.

For one, not everyone in this world lives on high bandwidth unmetered connections. In Germany, you got a lot of people still running on 16 MBit/s ADSL, that's half an hour worth of full load just for AI garbage. With the average 50 MBit/s, it's still 10 minutes. For those running on hotspots - be it their phone with often enough 10 GB or less on your average data plan or train hotspots that cut you off after 200MB - the situation is similarly dire.

The other thing is storage. I got a nominally 256GB MacBook Air. Of these 256 GB, easily 50GB are already gone for macOS itself, swap, Recovery and everything that macOS doesn't store as part of the immutable partition (such as, you guessed it, its own AI models). Taking up 2% of the disk space without consent is definitely Not Cool.

keyringlight 2 hours ago||
Another angle is the processing cost, I assume Google is seeking to offload the computation for whatever features this covers from their own data centers to end users. On the scale of billions that's probably measurable and from google's side worth doing whether the users is paying for the service or not, and each of them will have more power usage with some reduced battery life on portable devices. At that scale I'd also wonder about efficiency based on what proportion of end users are using AI or running it on CPU/GPU/NPU.
perks_12 2 hours ago|||
The next Netflix breakout show will burn this planet to the grounds :)
ekianjo 2 hours ago||
Netflix does not store 4gb on your drive...
a96 1 hour ago||
It does if it triggers this download.
vrganj 2 hours ago|||
What is petabytes if not 4GB at Chrome userbase scale?
ekianjo 2 hours ago||
Its unsollicited. Not everyone has fiber either
tim-projects 1 hour ago||
I use brave. Firefox doesn't work in my qemu VM with (none pass through) hardware acceleration, it just crashes the VM.

Brave has always just worked for me and seems light on memory usage. Dunno why anyone would use chrome.

peterjmag 2 hours ago||
Looks like the site's struggling to keep up with the traffic. A couple mirror links:

https://web.archive.org/web/20260505052217/https://www.thatp...

https://archive.ph/sM7O5 (missing images and styling, but the content all seems to be there)

flossly 2 hours ago|
And that's why we have, promote, and (hopefully) all use Chromium on our Linuxes.

Or Firefox of course.

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