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Posted by littlexsparkee 4 days ago

California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy(www.sfgate.com)
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elmean 4 days ago|
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PH4660T 4 days ago||
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roxolotl 4 days ago||
Nothing new here

“ The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.” - John Steinbeck; Grapes of Wrath

linkregister 4 days ago|
I loved reading Grapes of Wrath in high school. How is this related to the topic?

This reaction is similar to constituents who bristle at the fact that their local library destroys old books, seeing a parallel to book burnings in 1930s Germany.

roxolotl 4 days ago||
The topic at hand is market forces demanding the destruction of agricultural products. The horror of that seems very topical to me.
scherlock 4 days ago||
So, they cut down the trees and do what? How is this supposed help anything?
CobrastanJorji 4 days ago||
The problem for the individual farmers is that they own a farm covered in peach trees, but they can't profitably sell peaches. The money will let them remove all the peach trees and then develop the land for some new crop.

This is also good for the remaining peach farmers because it keeps peach prices high, and also because massive forests of unattended peach trees leads to pest problems.

modeless 4 days ago|||
They plant something else. There just isn't demand for canned peaches anymore, so this is exactly what should happen. It's just unfortunate that it had to happen all at once with this bankruptcy rather than in a more organized fashion that could have prevented these unneeded orchards from being planted in the first place.
fred_is_fred 4 days ago||
Significantly reduced water usage for one. The water is the limiting factor.
hparadiz 4 days ago||
It's really not. https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

California is not in any drought right now and our reservoirs last 10 years in the absolute worst case. Most of our water goes into the ocean.

I have no dog in the race in terms of what trees there are but if you take them down it'll be invasive South American pepper trees or mustard grass. As long as it's used and sequestering carbon it's all gravy.

bix6 4 days ago||
10 years? Says who? I’ve heard 2 years in a worst case.
hparadiz 4 days ago||
With respect. It's a dumb internet-ism not grounded in reality.

https://oroville.lakesonline.com/Level/

You can see the water level there for Lake Orville which is the source for the California aqueduct system that feeds part of the Central Valley and the 20 million living in Southern California. Given that non-residential accounts for 92% of all the water use California is never in any danger of not being able to provide water to residential. That would require 20 years without rain and that also assumes we don't build new reservoirs.

California is the size of a country. The North is in an area more like the Pacific Northwest than any desert.

We just lived through a worst case scenario that lasted 3 years and only on the 3rd year of that did we even bother to start water restrictions. For the past two years we've been full to 100% and having to let it go in the spring.

I did a ton of research on this cause I own a property supplied by this system.

bix6 4 days ago||
Interesting thank you for the info! I will read into this a bit.
susiecambria 4 days ago||
All I could think about when I read the title was all the food insecure people who live in my little rural neck of the woods.
goodmythical 4 days ago|
Well, all you've got to do is rent several thousand trucks to go pick them up "for free"
cm2012 4 days ago||
The only reason this is upvoted at all is people have an emotional attachment to trees. Note, there is no moral difference between a cultivated tree and a cultivate tulip or corn stalk. Its not like trees have a bigger brain because they are bigger, it doesnt work that way.
1970-01-01 4 days ago|
I wonder why they cannot be moved. There are machines that simply pluck them from the dirt and have them ready to go. They could auction them off for $1/each and still make a profit.

https://interestingengineering.com/lists/7-mighty-machines-f...

tengbretson 4 days ago||
The land is the thing that is actually valuable here, so filling that land with a perfect grid of 6 foot craters in exchange for a few dollars is probably a bad call.
modeless 4 days ago|||
The problem isn't that the trees are in the wrong place. The problem is that there are more trees than demand for canned peaches. It's a failure of planning on the part of Del Monte and peach growers.
oldsecondhand 4 days ago||
Covid boosted the sale of canned food, but people avoid the sugary syrup of canned fruits in non emergency situations.
GenerocUsername 4 days ago|||
I agree in principle that reuse is the best imaginable outcome... but You underestimate the labor and cost of machines. I bet it costs $200 to pluck a single tree let alone ship it somewhere else usable.
1970-01-01 4 days ago||
Why would they pay to ship it anywhere? Set the auction date and mandate the buyer brings a flatbed. All sales final. The work to remove the dead tree stump isn't going to be cheaper.
cpursley 4 days ago|||
Unfortunately it’s way more economical to chip them over spaying out a full sized tree then meshing and wiring it, lifting the heavy thing with roots and soil onto a flat bed for one off transplant - every step requires heavy diesel fueled equipment. Plus, older trees have higher risk of dying and you really need to do it in the winter.

It’s actually cheaper just to buy new fruit tree stock and you can get better quality (ie flavorful varieties vs mass farmable ones). Source: worked at an ornamental tree farm, done the math in spreadsheets and have planted peach trees in my yard as well - once loaded a trailer wrong and did a 180 in a loaded flatbed with trees, which went all over the interstate.

squeaky-clean 4 days ago|||
If they're shuttering this farm because peaches are no longer profitable, why would someone else pay for these trees?
phyzome 4 days ago|||
Anyone who wants a peach tree is going to 1) have a cheaper way of getting one, and 2) probably want a different variety.