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Posted by pancomplex 14 hours ago

Why most product tours get skipped(productonboarding.com)
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jwilliams 12 hours ago|
The other huge problem is you never tell the user what they'll get out of the tour. People will invest in a tour if they understand the reward (and "learning" can't be the reward).
kshri24 12 hours ago||
Instead of product tours I like how AWS has little info/help buttons that are placed right next to every informational/actionable element on their dashboard. Totally unobtrusive. If you want to understand something on the dashboard that is not obvious at first, you can click on the info/help button that opens a side panel with a lot more information about that particular element (and any associated topics). Most of the time, you just know what you are dealing with (or can guess what that particular topic might mean and you will probably be right).
foobar1726 12 hours ago|
Incredible that tooltips were killed because braindead """designers""" couldn't figure out how to make them work on mobile.

They'll be reintroduced under a new name in a decade or two with endless self-congratulation. Same as physical car controls.

Here's a solution off the top of my head: have a dedicate "info" button at the OS level. Holding the button disables normal interaction, highlights all inspectable elements, and allows you to click on each one for a description. Like "inspect element" in the browser.

cholmdomsky 9 hours ago|||
I'm fairly certain that exact thing existed on Windows XP and earlier. It was a question mark in the top right of the window, added a "?" next to your cursor. You could then click elements to see if there happened to be an explanation embedded in the program for that particular button/box/whatever. Didn't always work, but was useful when it was needed.
kshri24 12 hours ago||||
> Here's a solution off the top of my head: have a dedicate "info" button at the OS level. Holding the button disables normal interaction, highlights all inspectable elements, and allows you to click on each one for a description. Like "inspect element" in the browser.

This is a really cool idea. Agreed! Wish something like this actually existed.

kmarc 5 hours ago|||
Wait, isn't that what Windows 3.1/95 did with the "What's this" button?
chihuahua 11 hours ago||
Every time some software tool displays one of those "helpful" messages - "We've reshuffled these features, so now they're hidden over here!" I get angry and dismiss the popups as quickly as possible.

I've got a task to accomplish, I wasn't just sitting around with nothing to do.

Imagine you get in your car to drive to work, and the dashboard displays a pop-up that tries to show you the latest feature. No!

amatecha 11 hours ago|
Yeah plus 99% of the time those reshuffled features are extraneous shit I never cared about for a millisecond in the first place. "We moved Stickers over here!" ... that's nice, I'm here to make some software and had to open this horrible web app to look at a flow chart someone made.
collabs 9 hours ago||
I had the great fortune for a major steel company. They had regular "training day"s where basically there is an hour long session where the team showed what new capabilities and fixes the software got and perhaps more importantly collect real user feedback on what they thought.

Too bad I didn't get to work there for long but I loved their stance that everybody should personally make safety the first priority, not just because the company requires you to do so but because your safety really is your priority.

So yes, this was before 2014 but I still think these kind of "training" and feedback should be a two way street, not a series of next I have to press to get the software to shut up.

aeternum 9 hours ago||
In some countries engineers wear a ring on their pinky to remind them of their obligation to ethics, safety and humility in engineering practice.

In the US engineers don't get that ring and they implement product tours.

7bees 8 hours ago||
I'm only familiar with 2 countries where this is a thing, and the US is one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer%27s_Ring

(FWIW, I'm not aware of any country where it's common for software folks to wear one)

profdevloper 8 hours ago||
Sure it may be the engineers implementing product tours, but I don't think they're the ones pushing for them.
largbae 9 hours ago||
Every moment (token?) spent interrupting a user to introduce a feature should instead be spent making the feature more intuitive instead.
easywood 5 hours ago||
I would expand this to "why most software notifications get skipped". Because they are in the interest of the vendor and get in my way! The amount of interruptions on a given day, be it in desktop software or saas products, is absolutely ridiculous. "What did you think about this feature ?". "Did you know you can use our AI agent ?".
aguacaterojo 13 hours ago||
The Product Manager needs to justify their job.
robofanatic 10 hours ago|
A good PM knows rejecting bad ideas is a big part of their job.
tardedmeme 1 hour ago||
Your real job is making your manager's manager thinks you do something useful. This has no bearing on whether you actually do something useful.
voidUpdate 4 hours ago||
Something similar that annoys me for the same reason is the "there is an update! update now?" popups you get on launch. I want to use the product right now, not wait for it to update before I use it. I wonder if it would be better to get those popups when you try to close the product, it'll say "there's an update available. Do you want to update, or just close right now?". Then it's not getting in your way when you're trying to use it. Or the steam method of just updating things when you're not using them, though that does require a separate launcher program
exabrial 13 hours ago|
This isn't that hard. Most of the time, the "changes" are useless UI Slop: "we've moved notifications to this TOTALLY BETTER OTHER SPOT IN THE SCREEN that one of our designers snuck a commit in with and nobody wanted to argue about it, because the last time it just came down to differing opinions. Its not really better but it's different!"

And the other reason is because most users probably have day jobs and need to get something done.

pancomplex 13 hours ago|
couldn't agree more - they always pop up at the right time. I don't know why every PM thinks they can save retention by spamming users :(
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