Top
Best
New

Posted by nohell 14 hours ago

Write some software, give it away for free(nonogra.ph)
272 points | 184 commentspage 2
jmpeax 3 hours ago|
This post misses that the people selling their "I built" SaaS advertised as a hobby/passion-project are just marketing something as indie that they fully intended to get rich from the beginning. It was never even a hobby worth giving away for free, it was always an attempt at making an easy fortune because they bought into the dream that infra was selling.
dlenski 5 hours ago||
> If software development is treated as a vehicle for self-exploration, rather than just a means to a financial end, this makes a lot more sense. From my experience, it also generally produces better software that doesn't come with user hostile (value extracting) actions or features because there's no expectation of a financial return.

I strongly identify with all of this. I started programming computers when I was about 7, so now I've been doing it for decades.

I sort of accidentally made it a career for a few years, because I was really good at it, but I didn't like being a professional software developer for a huge tech company.

I still like writing code though, and view it primarily as a means for exploration, figuring out how things work and explaining and systematizing them for myself and for others.

nirui 5 hours ago||
> but I didn't like being a professional software developer for a huge tech company

This feeling is probably shared by many lefties people. They love to work, they just don't like to be restricted/manipulated into working under a highly specified and standardized environment, especially when every bit of their performance is measured for competition.

But I have grown to understand the environment of the "big tech" companies. It is hard to manage a project as it expands, and the result of human work is hard to predict, so often there's two ways to choose: 1) only hire people who's "on the same channel", highly talented "rock star" programmer, or 2) regulate everything to the detail, and "filter out" (a.k.a. firing) those who's incapable of fitting. Both are brutal, but effective and cheap to implement at scale.

If you don't like to work for big companies, maybe try start one of your own. But then of course you'll have to find some kind of financial support, maybe it's from "value extracting", but maybe it's something else.

BTW, I don't think "value extracting" == "user hostile". A lot of people go overboard with their religious beliefs, thinking rich is bad. But your time on this Earth is limited, and this is the only adventure you'll ever have. Thus your labor must be fairly compensated, so you can continue your journey a bit more freely. Otherwise it's a zero-sum game, more you "give out", less chance for yourself. How can you be so sure that other people would utilize their time better than you?

Selling your produce for financial isn't "user hostile". It will be if you're predatory, but it won't be if you're being fair.

seba_dos1 3 hours ago||
> If you don't like to work for big companies, maybe try start one of your own.

There's a huge landscape of things in between these two options.

nesarkvechnep 5 hours ago||
What do you do now? I’m just curious.
dlenski 5 hours ago||
I've returned (?) to the semiconductor industry, which is where I was working before I became a software developer at AWS and then at a scammy-but-VC-funded scientific computing startup.

I've been writing software for ~35 years, have taken exactly one course in CS (graduate machine learning while getting my PhD in physics), and did it professionally for about 5 years… that said, "writing software" has been a big part of other jobs I've had, even if not the headline description.

advael 12 hours ago||
A lot of comments can't help but mention the constant looming threat of potentially permanent destitution that pervades our society. It's increasingly hard to understand the position of people who think that this is a feature, excepting of course those very few with the resources to use that pressure rather than be driven by it
y0eswddl 12 hours ago|
What disappoints me most is just how many people have been successfully disabused of so much hope, confidence, and imagination that they just accept our current reality as inevitable.
cmrdporcupine 12 hours ago|||
Ugh. Try being conscious of this situation and also the parent of a very smart 15 year old who is also rapidly becoming conscious of this situation.
alex_suzuki 5 hours ago||
Man do I feel this. :-( Got a very smart 11 year old and she’s starting to ask questions.
globalnode 10 hours ago|||
marketing. humans are quite reactive to certain stimuli
zkmon 2 hours ago||
Only if people do - "grow some grain and give it for free, manufacture some products and give it for free, provide some service and don't charge for it". If everyone does all of those as hobbies, then we are good.
darkstarsys 9 hours ago||
I'm mostly retired from a lifetime as a graphics programmer and CTO, and now I'm working through my lifetime of fun backlog projects. https://pcons.org, https://deep-timeline.org, https://pelorus-nav.com, https://packzen.org, https://github.com/garyo/sea-surface-temp-viz, https://globe-viz.oberbrunner.com/ and lots more. All open source and free.

Sure, make money from software. I did. But when you have enough and it's time to give back, open source it.

nohell 9 hours ago|
> Sure, make money from software. I did. But when you have enough and it's time to give back, open source it.

This is where I'm at. I'm one of the few Gen-Z with enough to live on comfortably + safety net, so I give back.

Edit: took a look, neat stuff you're doing!

Amirh14123 3 hours ago||
https://nonogra.ph/100-days-of-digital-blackout-05-06-2026
phyzix5761 1 hour ago||
This kind of mentality is easy to have when you make 6 figures and don't have to worry about where your next meal is coming from. For the majority of the world, which makes a median of $10 USD per day, monetization is the only way they can do things they enjoy. There's no "hobbies" for most of humanity if its detached from survival.
coolThingsFirst 1 hour ago|
This is simply not true. Majority of humanity isn’t starving and yes they have hobbies. Even better social life than westerners who believe they live in a utopia.
johnj-hn 10 hours ago||
I'm doing exactly this. I started out only intending to create something for myself. As it got better, I thought that other people might want to use it. I briefly considered trying to sell it, and pretty quickly realized that I didn't want to ruin something I was having fun with by turning it into a business.

Now, instead of worrying about sales, I get to feel good about giving something back to the FOSS community that has given me so much.

I recognize that it is a position of privilege to be able to dedicate so much of my time to a project that gives me nothing financially... and in fact costs me money to produce. No shade at all to people who are not so lucky and need to sell what they make.

Anyway, if you're interested, here's what I'm working on. Feature-wise it's come a long way since the last HN post about it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46619391

And if you're not interested, that's OK, because I'm not trying to sell you anything!

nohell 9 hours ago|
that looks useful, will try it out!
stuart78 5 hours ago|
I just interviewed somebody who works for mac productivity app that has been around forever. For many years it worked as a simple one to two person operation and then they took some money and started to try and scale the business. But it is an idiosyncratic product that has a small number of highly passionate users. They tried to make it a platform. They tried to sell it in bulk. None of this makes sense for the product and the team responsible for it knows it will never work.
More comments...