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Posted by signa11 9 hours ago

StarFighter 16-Inch(us.starlabs.systems)
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sam_lowry_ 6 hours ago|
Does it suspend to RAM with echo mem > /sys/power/state and stays there for a couple of weeks on battery?

If not, I will keep my Intel Thinkpad T14 G2, The Last of the Mohicans that can.

theMMaI 5 hours ago|
Most devices still support S3 sleep, it's just disabled by default as s2idle (modern standby) has become the default. You can almost always re-enable S3 sleep if you really want to, but on modern devices it typically only takes a few seconds to resume from S4 (suspend-to-disk) which technically is safer and more reliable. Also you can always use suspend-then-hibernate if you really want fast resume during the day, but long battery life when it's more than an hour or so.
sam_lowry_ 3 hours ago|||
Dunno about other manufacturers, but Thinkpads removed S3. Stock BIOS on some T14 G3 had S3 had it, but it was removed by subsequent BIOS updates.

The notebook market is dead for me if the notebook can't sleep on 0.3% battery per hour and if it can't wake up within a second or so.

So far only macbooks and >5 years old Intel notebooks can.

lpcvoid 1 hour ago||
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backscratches 1 hour ago||||
Modern devices generally do not have s3 anymore
colordrops 4 hours ago|||
My Thinkpad p16s does not have s3 sleep. And s2idle lasts for a couple hours before it dies because every device has to sleep before it goes to true idle, but can never get all the USB devices to sleep. It's crap. S3 worked fine and was robust.
LorenDB 7 hours ago||
I really like the detachable webcam gimmick - I'm sure that, like all gimmicks, it could prove frustrating sometimes, but it's a novel way to have both a decent webcam and thin bezels without notches, nose-facing cameras, etc.
ulrikrasmussen 5 hours ago|
I like it both for the peace of mind that the webcam is off, but also because I anyway have a dedicated external webcam both at the office and at home, so I really don't need a webcam lens in the lid except for the rare occasions where I need to take a meeting on the go.
wtallis 8 hours ago||
Is there something new here? The processor options seem to be two generation old Intel, one generation old Intel, and one generation old AMD.
miek 8 hours ago||
I can't imagine the supply chain challenges inherent to startup laptop manufacturers. I think it's "go with what you have access to at reasonable prices, or forget about it. "
wtallis 8 hours ago|||
I think Framework is a good example of how smaller laptop OEMs end up shipping late, often on the order of three quarters. This is something else entirely, if any of these configurations are recent arrivals (I don't think they are).
MobiusHorizons 5 hours ago|||
I don’t believe they actually make the hardware. I know sytem76 always just rebadges Clevo hardware. You were basically paying for Linux to be preinstalled and for the Linux focused support.

EDIT. Actually it looks like I was wrong about that. They do apparently at least make their own chassis’s unsure about the motherboard’s or screens though.

aidenn0 8 hours ago|||
This might be driven by coreboot support?
dylan604 8 hours ago||
I have the Intel Core i9 in my 2019 MBP, and it gets so damn hot. How do the ones offered here compare? I'm not one to upgrade frequently, but the heat of this thing makes me go looking. Luckily, it sits on a stand on a desk with more 9s than github is up.
wtallis 8 hours ago||
A 2019 MacBook Pro would have an Intel Skylake processor (N-th re-release), made on Intel's stagnant 14nm process. The older Intel option for the StarFighter has its CPU cores made on an Intel process two generations newer, and the rest of the chiplets made by TSMC. The newer Intel option moves the CPU chiplet to TSMC as well. They're in a very different league for power efficiency than your current machine, both from the fab improvements and from having a microarchitecture that's not from 2015.
dylan604 8 hours ago||
Okay, but what does that mean for the temp of the case while sitting in one's lap. Can it be done without getting second degree burns?
wtallis 7 hours ago|||
Case temperature is very much at the discretion of the laptop OEM. Some OEMs take regulatory limits on skin temperature seriously and ship a well-tuned thermal control system that keeps the case at a comfortable temperature. Others push close to the legal limits to keep fan noise in check. Others ship plastic enclosures so they can get away with even higher temperatures (since plastic has lower thermal conductivity than metal, and thus a harder time cooking your thighs) at the expense of more noise.

The StarFighter has a metal case, so when running at high power levels (45W sustained according to the spec sheet) it will either get uncomfortably hot somewhere on the case or at least a bit noisy from the fans, but since it's a bit thicker than the 2019 MacBook Pro it should be able to cool itself more effectively. But when running at the performance level you're used to the power draw should be plenty low enough to make temperature and fan noise not a problem: roughly double the peak CPU performance means you can turn down the power limits a lot and still have a better-performing machine.

oofabz 7 hours ago|||
Every generation of CPU has high-power and low-power variants. The i9 is a high power variant that generates a lot of heat but what you want is the low power variant.

I recommend looking for a used laptop with a Core Ultra 7 165U (<$500) or a Core Ultra 7 268V (>$1000). Maybe an HP EliteBook. Either one would be faster than your old i9 and run much cooler.

rob74 1 hour ago||
I clicked on the link half expecting to see a scale model of the (in)famous Lockheed Starfighter (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104).
camgunz 4 hours ago||
Coreboot is amazing, more machines should have open firmware--especially those intended to run FOSS OSs.
negura 4 hours ago|
100% agreed. it upsets me when i see companies like framework advertising themselves front and centre as Linux-first, yet won't sponsor a coreboot port. starlabs, system76 and novacustom actually walk the walk
xvfLJfx9 3 hours ago||
Framework plans to eventually support coreboot, as far as I am aware. (Or open source the current one they purchased). It just wasn't the main priority. They focused on making a repairable laptops ecosystem first. Switching to different firmware later isn't ruled out.
backscratches 1 hour ago||
Starlabs is at least as repairable as framework, older, and coreboot.
kuon 2 hours ago||
I recently switched from Linux to freebsd on my work computer and things have been mostly working. With linux chroot I can use the few apps missing BSD port.

I did this because I manage a fleet of BSD based server (BSD runs zfs and bhyve with VM on it) and I wanted the same base system for me.

I wonder how BSD friendly those laptop are.

In any case I am so happy to see some open hardware solution.

zx8080 8 hours ago||
Same-size cursor keys (with the whole line and without any distinction) is such an ill-design decision. Nice to show in the presentation slide deck, but hard to actually use blindly.
sho_hn 8 hours ago||
This is lovely. I'd love it if this or the Framework Pro also had OLED options, though.

My aging Thinkpad P1 (1st Gen) has a great LCD, but it's also the last non-OLED screen in my life, and I don't think I can buy another laptop without it. In fact it would be a purchase decision driver/upgrade incentive for me. This and longer battery life.

Even though I build lots of C++ code, I still don't think I need more than the Xeon in the P1, horse-power wise.

colordrops 7 hours ago||
For sure, once you go OLED you don't go back. It's like going back to a mouse with a ball.
volemo 7 hours ago|||
You know, I’ve actually gone back to a mouse with a ball. And it’s gorgeous!

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackball

ragchronos 6 hours ago|||
I mean you have those ergonomic Logitech trackballs that are praised by devs!
lpcvoid 44 minutes ago||
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sillysaurusx 6 hours ago||
One of the best investments I’ve ever made was to get an 8TB drive for my laptop. Never having to worry about disk space again is so nice. Consider it if you’re in the market for a new laptop.
steve_adams_86 5 hours ago|
Does it ever worry you that all 8TB could fail in one place? Do you have redundant drives (like two 4TB or four 2TB drives)?

I'd be worried about having all of my storage in one place. I like to back up data to more than one place if it's important, and never have huge on-device storage because if something happens to damage it, I'm assuming it's game over for all on-device storage (rather than only part of it). I'd rather my storage was safe and cozy in some place far from where my laptops go.

But if you're not all that worried and happen to do data-intensive work or something, awesome, 8TB sounds like a dream.

mkl 5 hours ago||
Data only in one place is bad no matter how big the drive is. Sync it to a NAS, PC, online, external drive, other laptop, or multiple of those.
trashface 2 hours ago|
I happen to be looking around for a 15 or 16 inch laptop, but these look pretty unsuitable for me. Odd CPU choices, and no apparent way to configure one with 16GB ram in this time of AI-fueled cost crisis. All but the standard are way out of my budget range - especially considering none have a dGPU. Also for idiosyncratic reasons I need a numeric keypad.
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