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Posted by rustoo 2 days ago

Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school(www.theguardian.com)
238 points | 344 commentspage 4
bryanrasmussen 8 hours ago|
this does seem like an "I learned it from watching you" moment.
DonHopkins 5 hours ago||
Cane the parents first.
squibonpig 7 hours ago||
As I understand it, a lot of bullying, especially physical bullying, stems from physical abuse at home. The plan is "hey let's try double-or-nothing" on the child abuse. Great fuckin plan. When people are into this shit I hope they don't have kids man.
Haven880 7 hours ago|
Caning proven to work.
squibonpig 7 hours ago||
For what, administered by who?
commandersaki 2 days ago||
I wonder how severe a caning in an educational institute compares to one administered by state justice.
lern_too_spel 1 day ago|
Adult caning is done by trained professionals. https://transformativejusticecollective.org/2023/10/20/getti...

School caning is with a lighter stick and through clothing, so it will be less severe, but the reduction in severity will probably vary a lot with the person administering the punishment.

oompydoompy74 1 day ago||
Trained Professionals -> Goons exercising the states monopoly on force. Ftfy.
lern_too_spel 1 day ago||
You'll notice that my carefully chosen link does not look favorably upon this practice, but that doesn't mean that these people aren't paid to do a job that they've been trained to do with some consistency, unlike school officials.
sfmike 3 hours ago||
the problem is what if the victim fights back, then they might be misconstrued as the bully and get caned.
NotGMan 10 hours ago||
Singapore works as a multi-ethcnic multi-cultural society because of measures like this and an understanding that you cannot have a functional democracy in a multi cultural, multi racial and a multi-ethnic society: each race/culture votes for his own and against others on racial/ethnic lines.
froh 9 hours ago||
beat the violence out of them, that'll show em?

I find the evolution of §1631 of the German civic code interesting from 1900 to the early 2000s it slowly moved from "the father has the right to chastise the children" to "the parents have the right and obligation to bring up their children. humiliation is no appropriate means for upbringing."

so no form of violence, psychological and physical, that goes beyond merely protecting the child or it's environment from harm, is appropriate. any such acts that are covered elsewhere in the code actually turn violent into a felony: insult, beating, locking in the room, even grounding? that's not how you turn a young human into a decent adult.

the turning point btw was Astrid Lindgren of Pipi Longstockings fame, and her acceptance speech "Never Violence!" for the Peace Prize of the German Book Trade, a prestigious event with high reach in politics and intellectual elites. The speech was rocking the boat, indeed, she was asked to only hand out the prints and not actually give the speech, to not spill the event. Yet she insisted...

Never Violence! - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Violence!

alephnerd 9 hours ago|
> beat the violence out of them, that'll show em?

It does in Singapore - a province and later country that was historically rife with civil, religious, ethnic, and political instability.

Westerners may not like it, but there's a reason LKY elucidated on "Asian Values" [0]. What do you care anyhow - it's not like you'd be given PR let alone citizenship.

[0] - https://time.com/archive/6732416/in-defense-of-asian-values-...

decimalenough 7 hours ago|||
Singapore "rife with political instability"? We're talking about the same country that has been ruled uninterrupted since 1968 by same party, which has also retained an absolute supermajority in Parliament during that entire time, right?

The party line is that Singapore was a miserable fishing village before LKY & the PAP stepped into rescue it, and LKY doubled down on "Asian Values" to justify his iron-fisted rule: better not take any chances with that dangerous democracy! But in fact pre-WW2 Singapore under British rule was already a prosperous, advanced trading metropolis and widely considered the second wealthiest city in Asia after Shanghai.

froh 5 hours ago|||
Singapore signed the UN CRC Convention on the rights of the Child

So Singapore committed to protect children from violence

https://www.unicef.org.uk/what-we-do/un-convention-child-rig...

And it seems Singapore (like some other countries) struggles to figure what that actually means, come to think about it.

lazylizard 6 hours ago|
the point. of course. is to teach. that nothing is good or bad. consequences.
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