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Posted by rustoo 2 days ago

Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school(www.theguardian.com)
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stotemoat 6 hours ago|
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fleroviumna 10 hours ago||
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dyauspitr 11 hours ago||
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andsoitis 2 days ago||
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circumlocution 2 days ago|
If you follow the article link they reference a WHO (another UN organization) report regarding their position and review of research:

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/B09424

andsoitis 1 day ago|||
Thanks.
userbinator 11 hours ago|||
Propaganda.
NotGMan 12 hours ago||
Singapore works as a multi-ethcnic multi-cultural society because of measures like this and an understanding that you cannot have a functional democracy in a multi cultural, multi racial and a multi-ethnic society: each race/culture votes for his own and against others on racial/ethnic lines.
userbinator 11 hours ago||
I wonder how many would get accustomed to the pain, or may even develop a liking for it. BDSM is a thing, after all...
avazhi 10 hours ago||
Good. And while I know Singapore already allowed this for other misbehaviour, it should have never been removed from schools in the West in the first place, and I say this as somebody who grew up with no lack of (in hindsight deserved) swattings from teachers and principals. No doubt many problems today can be traced back to a complete failure to disciple many children that has developed over the past 20-30 years.
squibonpig 9 hours ago|
That's pretty dumb
blks 8 hours ago||
Violence creates more violence. Singapore has a lot of these sick backwater policies in place.
HlessClaudesman 8 hours ago||
If that were true Singapore would be a particularly violent place, it's not. Source: I lived there.
zdc1 7 hours ago||
Singapore isn't particularly violent, it's just efficient. It's the threat of deportation (huge swathes of the population are on work visas) or punishment that keeps people in line. Even their prisons aren't very violent, it's just that if you commit a crime, the police will find you (it's a small place with lots of cameras) and the courts will apply the standard sentencing.
arijun 8 hours ago||
> Violence creates more violence

Citation needed (specifically in the case of discipline)

reenorap 9 hours ago|
The best way to handle a bully is to fight them tooth and nail even if you're going to get beaten up or you get suspended from school. If you keep fighting them the bullying will stop, and you will also gain some self-esteem.
clort 9 hours ago||
This is only half-true. Normally, the bully can escalate further than you are capable of, since they are experienced at it. Sometimes they can even get their henchmen to hold you at a distance so your resistance has no effect.

It worked for me once. I think, bullying the loser was kind of cool in front of his gang, but rolling around on the floor wrestling with a loser in front of them was not so cool. Sure, I got pulverized but he didn't try me again.

That is an anecdote though, not data. He was a small time bully, could have simply escalated to a stabbing after school and left me permanently disabled. I don't know the real answer, but telling people is a good start. Make sure people know about every incident. Don't silently suffer.

threethirtytwo 40 minutes ago||
No getting stabbed is rare. You made the right move and you learned to stand up for yourself. The bully learned not to fuck with you.

If you told authorities and they coddled you that experience might get imprinted on your personality.

selcuka 9 hours ago|||
I don't fully disagree, but the bullying will not stop if they see that they can beat you up easily. It might even get worse.
modo_mario 4 hours ago||
I can think of only 3 times where i or someone else confronted a bully and made it stop. In 2 of those cases the bully was stronger but such stuff can always carry risks that the bully might not like or scenarios they can't take.

In the first the bully eventually got hit with a school desk (they were fairly light but hard) pretty bad by the victim that finally crashed out and the bully actually looked like a wimpering fool in front of a ton of people. As far as I know he didn't try to get back at the victim.

In the second it was I that flipped out and had some luck. I didn't seriously hurt him but he realized the blind intent in the moment was there. He just seemed shocked and no longer bothered

The 3rd guy had some Moroccan machismo thing going and kept picking on people he couldn't beat and it always happened fairly conventionally without suprise.

threethirtytwo 37 minutes ago||
How about the amount of times when the bully didn't stop? That's the useful metric here. When there was resistance, how effective was it?

Judging from your description you didn't lay out any examples of where fighting back failed.