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Posted by CliffStoll 3 days ago

Rumors of my death are slightly exaggerated

AI hallucinations are getting ambitious.

A couple people recently emailed, asking whether the Klein bottle business was still operating after my death.

“Huh?” I thought. “I ain’t dead yet.”

After some digging, I discovered the source: an AI-generated review of The Cuckoo’s Egg circulating on Facebook. Alongside the usual synthetic praise and fabricated details, it confidently announced that I had died in May 2024.

Apparently AI has now advanced to the point where it can kill people off before they notice.

Mark Twain once wrote, “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” I never expected to field-test the quote personally.

source: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=989939243570691&id=100076638743004

Cheers, -Cliff

1620 points | 248 commentspage 11
whatever1 1 day ago|
How about now?
jdw64 1 day ago||
Source: the deceased objected.
addandsubtract 1 day ago||
We had a story like this almost a year ago:

https://davebarry.substack.com/p/death-by-ai

Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44615801

e40 1 day ago||
Dave is such a good writer.
bityard 1 day ago||
Dave is awesome, I've been reading his stuff since I was a teenager. Books, articles, all of it. His book, Big Trouble, was turned into a movie starring Tim Allen. Although he only sometimes wrote about tech, he was much more clueful than most writers at the time, especially comedy writers.

It's too bad he's dead, despite his objections.

raintrees 1 day ago|||
caught in java garbage collection (no slight intended :) )

Congratulations on your continued existence!

madaxe_again 1 day ago||
That is not always relevant:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/16/romanian-court...

https://abcnews.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/dead-man-walking...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/frenchwoman-officially-...

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/lal-bihari-mujhe-zinda-karo-...

netfortius 1 day ago||
I quit FB shorty after they opened it outside *.edu domains, which was about the time AOL started giving usenet and gopher access to the public at large. It looks like I am missing some stuff /s
rpc139 1 day ago||
[dead]
moralestapia 1 day ago||
Pardon the interruption but ... who are you?

Your bio is empty.

hoppyhoppy2 1 day ago||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Stoll
CliffStoll 1 day ago|||
My bio is empty. Hmmm.

I'm giving a talk this Thursday (May 14th at a San Francisco Computer Security group, SFISCA. They asked for a bio. Here's what I wrote:

  Cliff Stoll graduated from Buffalo Public School #61 with a blue star for good attendance.  In his spare time, Cliff pieces quilts and squeezes lumps of bituminous coal into diamonds.

   I wonder if they'll use it...
moralestapia 1 day ago||
Hey, that sounds really nice ^^. I'm glad you accomplished that and that seems like a cool hobby.

OTOH, I can see how times truly have changed. If I was as relaxed as you wrt. my carrer I'd be living under a bridge, lol.

rvnx 1 day ago|||
In the 1980s he was a sysadmin for a science lab in the US.

After his boss spotted a discrepancy, he understood that one person was using the computer that he managed without permission.

He was the only one who really cared.

He pushed and asked everybody for help (FBI, NSA, CIA, Air Force, etc).

That person was actually connecting from Germany.

The German police arrested the guy and released him.

It's a cool story because it puts you in the shoes of the 1980s phreaking and hacking scene but from the defense-side.

Now he is selling glass bottles that look like klein bottles (but are obviously not but it's still a cool object, and again don't want to spoil).

tialaramex 1 day ago||
Perhaps also notably in there somewhere is the part where Cliff insists, at about the same point SSL solves this problem, that there's never going to be e-commerce because how could you possibly pay anybody securely over the Internet ?

This is between the point where Tim invents his crap hypermedia system with the grand name (the "World Wide Web") and the point where you can get a billion dollar valuation for your idea to sell water on the Internet (the "dot com bubble").

bdcravens 1 day ago|||
Bio is probably empty because for a certain age of HN readers, he's already well known and regarded, but over time as the HN population grows it's obviously less likely to be the case.
BenjiWiebe 1 day ago||
I'd argue that age isn't even relevant. I'd say that there's a significant overlap between readers of "The Cuckoo's Egg" and HN folk, whether young or old.

I read it in my early teens.

CliffStoll 1 day ago||
Makes me feel even older, Benji. I wrote it when I was 38.

Now, at 75, I'm astonished at how much has changed online. When I first started fooling with the Arpanet in the early 1980's, I calculated that I probably knew around 0.01 percent of everyone on the net. (where "knew" meant something like "have heard of" or "saw at a meeting") ... that number impressed me with how big the network was.

Today, what percent of the network users does a person know? 1 / 10^-7 or so?

the__alchemist 1 day ago||
Google Cliff Stoll. The dude is a total bro. One of my friends just bought one of his Klein bottles, and the included written materials attested to this indisputable fact. Unlike his death in 2026, which currently has an open dispute.
CliffStoll 1 day ago||
Open dispute about my death? (pinch myself - yep, it hurts)

So how could I convince people that I'm alive and not some AI construct?

(do pass along my warm cheers to your nonorientable friend) -Cliff

Scroll_Swe 1 day ago|
Who are you and what is this about?
CliffStoll 1 day ago||
Who am I? Given that I've been reported as dead, that's a good question...
DANmode 1 day ago||
Read the post, click the link!