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Posted by speckx 1 day ago

Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI(www.tomshardware.com)
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int32_64 1 day ago|
The brief window between the covid gaming bubble pop/PoS ETH switch and the AI hardware blackhole will be fondly remembered as the last golden age of consumer PC hardware accessibility.
bobomonkey 1 day ago|
If China keeps releasing decent copies of SOTA models that only take 20% of the resources, then we may get some relief when those models become "good-enough"
gruez 1 day ago|||
>copies of SOTA models that only take 20% of the resources

They might be 20% of the price (because they don't have to invest that much in training), but are probably not 20% of the resources (ie. inference), considering they take more tokens to do the same task, and have slower inference speeds.

https://x.com/scaling01/status/2050616057191072161

GrinningFool 1 day ago||
Even at 2x the tokens (max from that tweet), that makes them 40% of resources. Which is still only 40% of the resources.
matthewaveryusa 1 day ago|||
I've been using deepseek and it's good enough for my personal use. It takes way more time/tokens/course-correcting to get things done, but I spend in a month what I spend in a day with opus 4.6
tgtweak 1 day ago||
When RAM and an SSD cost more than an entire system used to it's not surprising to see this.
2OEH8eoCRo0 1 day ago||
We are in AI mania right now. I dont think this will continue forever.
layer8 1 day ago||
Smaller manufacturers will fold, and larger ones will leave the consumer market (like Micron/Crucial did), before the market has a chance to bounce back. If and when it does recover, it will be a market of much fewer choices.
MSFT_Edging 1 day ago||
A somewhat comparable historical example is the destruction of the Swiss watch industry in the 70s with the advent of quartz and digital watches.

A Rolex Daytona today is known as a very fancy and even hard-to-get watch. In the 70s they were practically giving them away with other watch purchases because electronic watches were taking their lunch.

The bigger takeaway, I think, is the destruction and folding eventually lead to the Swatch group. People forget Rolex, Omega, et. al. were tool watches that were expensive but fairly attainable. Even into the 90s you could walk into a Rolex store and walk out with the watch you wanted. Nowadays you basically have to buy a watch to prove you're good enough to get the one you want.

I forsee a similar thing happening with computing hardware. There will be a small high-end side industry for non-datacenter customers.

The digital watch user will be renting time for a thin client via a datacenter provider. The wealthy or high status user will be able to purchase the expensive boutique home computing hardware they want.

marcosdumay 1 day ago|||
Computers were like that twice already. That always ends.

The only reason you have those watch brands to mention is because they are non-functional status symbols. People that want a watch buy something else.

The same way, people that want a computer will buy from whoever is actually selling them. Manufacturers that want to sell only to datacenters won't last for long.

hnav 1 day ago|||
Besides watches becoming expensive trinkets, a Rolex Daytona in the 70s was basically the same watch as what you could get from other manufacturers with the same movement inside. Today you have to spend at least 30k to get something comparable to it which is part of the reason that it's in a permanent demand crunch.
2ndorderthought 1 day ago|||
It's sad when our best hope is that the pumped economy dumps and tanks all the other industries so we can buy computers again.
serf 1 day ago||
hard to tell.

even if volume and hype decreases from the general pop there doesn't seem to be much of a cap on model requirements -- so at least one sector will be pushed into purchases one way or another.

maplethorpe 1 day ago||
They should try releasing one with a futuristic space-age design and flashing rainbow lights. Maybe give it a name like HARDTEK and put some random techy shapes all over it.
lowbloodsugar 1 day ago||
Shortage of ram and ssds, and soon, cpus. Motherboards aren’t selling because theres no point buying a motherboard if you can’t by the ram or ssd it needs.

It’s brutal. I’ve just built a workstation with DDR4 and two-gen old cpu. I paid more for the ddr4 than it originally cost, four years ago. The same amount of ram for the latest motherboard would have been 10x ($10,000). So used DDR4 has gone through the roof, which impacts hobbyists who used to rely on “hand-me-downs”.

GoofGarage 1 day ago|
15 months ago I saw writing on the wall on several fronts. I suggested my community commit to their buys/builds ASAP and be forward-looking, before things changed.

My high-end HEDT would now be +$2300 to build mostly due to memory and SSD pricing. 96GB of memory going from $430 -> $1800 is wild. One community member literally wouldn’t be able to buy their Mac Mini configuration anymore, plus the self-upgrade SSD would be price hiked.

Where I blanche most is my storage server running TrueNAS. Built it 3.5 years ago, future-proofing in mind. Strong SSD cache layer, plus two spare HDDs as spares. It wasn’t cheap then, but I think between disks, storage, ECC memory, etc. it’s +$7000 now to rebuild it again, +$9000-$10000 on last generation hardware.

xnx 1 day ago||
Who will be the first motherboard maker to put out a board with 12 slots for legacy RAM?
fredoralive 1 day ago|
ASrock have created a "HUDIMM", which is basically a half bandwidth DDR5 DIMM. Basically half the number of chips per DIMM. So kinda a modern day 386SX with its 16 bit bus. Presumably hoping you'll be able get fewer, higher capacity DRAM dice for a competitive price versus a normal DIMM.

On modern systems (all 64 bit AMD, and Intel Core "i" onwards, so quite old now) the memory controller is integrated into the CPU, so what the CPU supports is what you get, and the latest CPUs are DDR5 only. Intel did have a transitional phase of CPUs that can do both DDR4 or 5 depending on motherboard, but AMD it's AM4 = DDR4, AM5 = DDR5.

jedberg 1 day ago||
This makes me sad. My son was just about to be old enough to build his first PC, and was showing interest. I guess I'm going to have match his savings 1:1 to make it possible now.
magicalhippo 1 day ago||
I think the shocking part is it's only projected to go down with 25%. That's quite mild given the increase in memory, storage and GPU prices, in my view.
CrimsonCape 1 day ago||
I assume manufacturers were making enough motherboards in 2025 to fulfill demand, so what happens when the demand is the same but the production is 25% less? Crazy.
jefurii 1 day ago|
See Permacomputing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48044638
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