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Posted by newsoftheday 1 day ago

Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers(old.reddit.com)
622 points | 244 commentspage 3
squidsoup 1 day ago|
Has anyone found a browser with comparably good dev tools to Chrome?
things 1 day ago||
You could try Helium (https://helium.computer/), it's a de-googled chrome and has the same devtools.
squidsoup 1 day ago||
nice, thank you
nicce 1 day ago|||
What makes then so good? I always try them and then go back to Firefox.
fragmede 1 day ago||
Replay.io has a browser that does time travel debugging, which is really really neat.
popcorncowboy 1 day ago||
This "just keep leaning into the outrage machine" is a terrifyingly effective strategy. I realize lobbying groups have had the "we only need to slip past once" strategy forever, but it feels to me like there's a new level of bare-faced autocratic, anti-social-contract power grab going on in a way that wasn't around 20 years ago.

You see it in our political class. Egregious thing? Nah, try this? Oh you're whining now? Here's some more. Look over here. What about this? Moar gnashing! And now this. Oh you don't like it? Clearly you hate children and freedom and family because this is all and only about protecting the children and saving everyone from rapists, Russians and whatever else the zeitgeist is afraid of.

oldfuture 1 day ago||
as if they didn’t have enough data already, good choice to lose any remaining trust from the public over this
Danox 1 day ago||
Google and Meta always phone home….
DeathArrow 1 day ago||
Google is a disease. We should stop spreading it.
ChrisArchitect 1 day ago||
Google weighs in on Chrome's weights.bin controversy https://www.androidauthority.com/google-chrome-weights-bin-f...
xbar 1 day ago|
4GB is not "lightweight" nor are local models.
askonomm 1 day ago||
I mean to be expected of Google. Even their Google Pay sends data to their servers whenever you use it to make payments, effectively also making it so you can't even use it without service. Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device, and not only is private, but as a result also enables payments entirely offline.
_k2vp 1 day ago||
> Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device, and not only is private, but as a result also enables payments entirely offline.

Apple Pay still does send a lot of telemetry about your payments though. https://duti.dev/randoms/wip-location-services/

fsckboy 1 day ago|||
>Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device

so when I use the physical card that is also on Apple Pay, and Apple Pay tells me I just made a transaction as if I had used Apple Pay, that is all happening on my device? what online service is my phone using to track my account with Visa or my credit card issuer, and it's polling or push?

Hamuko 1 day ago||
You get a notification from Apple Pay when you pay with your physical card? Because I only get a notification from my bank's app whenever I use my physical card. Apple Pay notifications only pop up when using Apple Pay itself.
cyberax 1 day ago||
> You get a notification from Apple Pay when you pay with your physical card?

I do. Which is sometimes annoying if somebody else is looking at my screen.

gchamonlive 1 day ago|||
Maybe it sends the payload after coming back online, but for I can for instance leave with only my galaxy watch 6, which doesn't have esim, and I'm able to make payments as long as I connect it with my phone before leaving the house.
waterloser 1 day ago|||
If your phone doesn't have connection does it still work on your galaxy watch? Or if you leave the phone behind?
iamjackg 1 day ago||
I think the comment's saying that they leave the phone at home, and the watch works by itself as long as it was connected to the phone before leaving the house.
Hamuko 1 day ago|||
Google Pay works for a limited amount of uses in offline mode.

https://9to5google.com/2023/12/20/google-wallet-without-inte...

newsoftheday 1 day ago|||
Wow...that seriously may change my long standing anti-Mac disdain to pro-Mac advocacy, very interesting, even Gemini confirmed what you're saying.
jazzypants 1 day ago||
I'm willing to bet that it's just for telemetry, but this kind of stuff just lends credence to the crazies claiming Google wants to create some kind of absurd botnet with people's devices.
varispeed 1 day ago||
Surely this would be illegal? Personal data without consent?

Or is it a case of too big too fail.

Seems like running governments' infrastructure pays off. No regulator will dare to impose a fine that could collapse the company. But this is very much needed.

£100bn fine and confiscation of assets in the given country could be a start.

orthecreedence 1 day ago|
> Surely this would be illegal? Personal data without consent?

I'm not trying to be mean here, but have you been frozen in ice for the last 20 years? This is effectively the tech industry's raison d'etre.

aucisson_masque 1 day ago||
Just today Google launched it's health app on Android and promised to not use people's data to sell them ads.

I called that bullshit, guess this article is just proving my point.

cbeach 1 day ago|
As soon as data starts being exfiltrated to Google (or any Big Tech firm), be sure that governments will demand their copy of the stream too.

The non-disclosure clauses in mass surveillance legislation will ensure the process is opaque to users.

You’ll only find out about it when your door is smashed down and all your devices are seized, because Chrome’s crappy 4GB AI model misinterpreted an innocent photo of your kid in a paddling pool.

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