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Posted by speckx 1 day ago

I switched from Mac to a Lenovo Chromebook(blog.johnozbay.com)
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hmokiguess 1 day ago|
Chrome OS? No, thank you. I'll stay with macOS and keep hoping for the Asahi Linux dream
mkurz 1 day ago||
If you are on a M1 or M2 chip you can live the dream _now_ already and install Asahi (Asahi Fedora Remix or Asahi Alarm https://asahi-alarm.org/ - which I am a maintainer of). It works really great (daily driving it since 4 years now...) M3 support is coming soon as well...
hmokiguess 1 day ago||
No way! I'm on M1 Pro, may be making the move finally ... how's the peripheral support these days? I use a Thunderbolt Display with the Studio Display. Any other particular things I should know?
jjtheblunt 1 day ago|||
you can run Arch proper in UTM.app on macos...utm is available on the app store or open source, and wraps the apple silicon hypervisor.framework.

it works fantastic magic. i had dual booted Asahi for a year or so, but really for no good reason once i realized UTM existed.

hmokiguess 1 day ago|||
I'm aware of it, though I would like to have a native solution with GPU acceleration and all the hardware benefits.
Scarbutt 1 day ago|||
Do you use x64 emulation with UTM? If so, how's the performance?
jjtheblunt 1 day ago||
No. It's all native Arm. In the UTM app, when creating a new VM, there's an option to say it's going to be "Linux" (generically at that point), which exposes a checkbox which allows you to specify use of Apple Silicon hypervisor.framework, and specifically _not_ x86 emulation.

I use hypervisor.framework, never use x86 emulation, and the result is great. Tested with both Fedora for ARM and Arch for ARM (perhaps CachyOS's bundling of Arch works there, but i did it lower level because i'm an old nerd).

traderj0e 1 day ago||
This is what I thought, but idk why the literature about this is never clear that it's ARM Linux only.
jjtheblunt 1 day ago||
which literature? (that question posed, i had to sleuth around to disambiguate oft repeated misinformation before figuring this all out)
traderj0e 1 day ago||
I don't have it in front of me, have just seen conflicting info on a lot on articles about virtualization on Mac.

Well wait, UTM's official website clearly says it does support x86 if you're ok with the emu performance hit. Is that wrong?

jjtheblunt 23 hours ago|||
that checkbox i mentioned above lets you choose to use native Apple ARM via the hypervisor.framework, or use Qemu which lets you do the x86 emulation?
intelkishan 1 day ago|||
It does support x86 at higher performance costs.
bitpush 1 day ago||
Why?
allthetime 1 day ago|||
Apple portable hardware is unparalleled. Linux is what runs the internet.

For now, my old gaming PC runs as a Linux server hosting all my dev services and home lab projects and my MacBook is where I work with them and build apps that consume them.

It would be nice to have the server setup mirrored on a laptop I could take places with me.

hmokiguess 1 day ago|||
I try to stay away from Google if I can, I know Apple isn't perfect either but I am more aligned with them despite it.
tthayer 1 day ago||
I have to switch between an M4 macbook pro and a Lenovo Chromebook Plus multiple times a day and I will say, while it isn't terrible, the keyboard and trackpad on the Lenovo have nothing on the Macbook. The experience with using USB devices (yubikey in particular) through the android layer is also real shitty.
tempestnick 1 day ago||
I recently had to turn in my work Macbook and started using personal Lenovo Thinkpad E14 -- last or second to last gen.

I have to say that everything, aside from keyboard and hardware (ie CPU, storage etc) on it is bad. Screen is bad, sound si horrible, webcam makes me look like I died a couple of days ago -- all gray and blurry, battery is obviously have nothing on Apple silicon laptops, fans are noisy, touchpad is bad, all is bad. But what impressed me the most are USB-C ports. They are somehow bad too. There's no grip, there's no feedback, you just kind of put a cable somewhere in them and hope it doesn't arc -- because sometimes it sounds like electrical arcing in there. Not quite pencil in a bucket, but not far off. And the thing is new, how do you manage that on a new business laptop? I'm very impressed, in the worst way possible.

tapoxi 1 day ago||
I really enjoy ChromeOS, though I'm worried a lot of its simplicity will go away as Google transitions to Android-based laptops. My wife and I use an Asus Chromebook Flip as a kitchen/living room computer that we don't need to think about. No software updates, it just surfs the web and we can flip it into tablet mode if we want to.
internet2000 1 day ago||
Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
bastard_op 1 day ago||
>> it seems that Signal's team is actively working on linking additional Android devices, and very soon we can simply solve this by using Signal for Android.

Wishful thinking, this has been a problem since tablets (android or ios) were a thing and trying to use one linked to your phone.

Pfhortune 23 hours ago||
I'm interested in the hardware on this... does anyone know if this laptop can boot arm64 Linux natively? Perhaps with an alternate bootloader install?

I've read about plenty of other Chromebooks that can do that, but I can't find any info on booting Linux on this one.

ChromeOS would be so much more compelling if it could be degoogled... An Ungoogled-ChromiumOS would be amazing.

porphyra 1 day ago||
> no fucking way there's a Mediatek chip out there that's as good as M2?!? right!?

Actually Mediatek is pretty underrated. Isn't the upcoming Dimensity 9600 Pro on par with the M5 [0]? And they also designed the CPU part of the GB10 in the NVIDIA DGX Spark, which is roughly on par with the CPU of the AMD AI Max+ 395 and M3 Max 14 core [1] [2].

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1so1wyv/dimensity...

[1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17762799?baseli...

[2] https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=m3+max

fattybob 1 day ago||
I’m expecting delivery of a used Lenovo yoga thinkpad simply to run one piece of software that I previously ran on an older intel Mac using a virtual windows drive, sadly the security on that software (dongles!!) will not and possibly will never run on new Apple silicon, so I’m gonna be lugging a win machine around for any projects that call upon that security software. I worked with the developer and tried a a patched software key for the same security, but sadly it didn’t work either. I’ll still be sticking to Mac for most of my work as I just prefer the way things predictably operate, but I am now going to have a windows toy to play with too, even if it’s actually for work !
627467 1 day ago|
I investigated this path. In terms of comparable performance per watt komapnio laptops are competitive. But not on price. Then there's the aspect of how open/closed each ecosystem is. While iOS is an prison like ecosystem, macos still remains quite open, more open than many chromebooks.

Asahi linux exist and i was surprised to see that these arm chromebooks just lack bios/uefi that allows me to install anything other than chromeos.

So, yeah, you can virtualize other OS on chromeos but so can you on macos

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