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Posted by wslh 20 hours ago

Brazil's Pix payment system faces pressure from Visa and Mastercard(www.elciudadano.com)
251 points | 224 commentspage 4
ares623 3 hours ago|
If there is a company in New Zealand working on a similar system, I'd love to hear about it because I would like to work for you.
g8oz 19 hours ago||
Despite what the White House thinks American companies are not owed a business model.
bell-cot 18 hours ago|
...unless they generously grease the right palms, or push the right "us vs. them" buttons.
mikeweiss 17 hours ago||
When ever I visit Brazil now I feel very left out for not having Pix! I wanna join the electronic cash club. Don't think it's possible for foreigners tho
yangm97 10 hours ago|
It should be possible, they issue CPF numbers even for tourists if you want.
mikeweiss 9 hours ago||
Problem is you need a Brazilian bank account... Opening a foreign bank account creates tax nightmares.
martheen 6 hours ago||
Ah, so they're leaving the money on the table. I suppose they're worried about money laundering.

Indonesia's electronic wallet have two tiers, unverified and verified. You don't even need a bank account (because most people don't), just a local number (which even tourist can buy easily at airport), with the limitation on unverified tier is that you can only top it up (by cash if you don't have local bank account) and spend it on merchant, no receiving nor sending money. There's also transaction limit but most of the population won't cross that in normal days.

bill38 17 hours ago||
In India there is 'UPI' system that is similar.
jnettome 19 hours ago||
How difficult is for USA administration learn good practices and initiatives and think into implementing those? And also, why Master and Visa haven’t came with a solution where they integrate with all of that and innovate?

This idea that all they do should be de facto standard for the whole world is so démodé.

protastus 18 hours ago||
My understanding is that FedNow could become something like Pix, but implementation is voluntary. In Brazil, the central bank required all retail banks of significance to implement Pix by a certain deadline.

Visa and Mastercard are very much against FedNow becoming widely used, as it would destroy their business.

protocolture 11 hours ago|||
>And also, why Master and Visa haven’t came with a solution where they integrate with all of that and innovate?

There are a lot of people who integrate with them. The issue is that anyone who does so must comply with the PCIDSS. Most hobbyists cant stretch that far and use intermediaries.

>This idea that all they do should be de facto standard for the whole world is so démodé.

I dont know what Brazil's issues were, but Visa and Mastercard show up, they integrate with terminal providers directly and indirectly, and they bring a battle tested data security standard with them. Compared to other industries they are basically self regulating, and in some countries they adopt the PCI DSS into law.

yndoendo 17 hours ago||
For what MAGA views as good for the USA is actually deplorable loss for the civilized world.
ChrisArchitect 18 hours ago||
Some coverage from September:

Brazil's Homegrown Payment System Is Target of Trump Admin https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/world/americas/brazil-dig...

insumanth 9 hours ago||
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voxleone 17 hours ago||
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mrkramer 19 hours ago|
Pix is for domestic use right? So tourists who come to Brazil still use Visa and Mastercard as well as Brazilian tourists who travel abroad. Visa and Mastercard are companies of the past, crypto and stablecoins will destroy them sooner or later.
martheen 6 hours ago||
Cross border payment with QR codes are already a thing in plenty of Southeast and East Asian countries. Crypto and stablecoins aren't needed (nor wanted, due to money laundering risks).
fmobus 16 hours ago|||
How many transactions can you ran per second on major coins like BTC?
wslh 19 hours ago|||
No, for example Argentinian tourists use Belo[1] for paying in Brazil. No need for credit cards.

[1] https://www.belo.app/en-us/ar/

SirFatty 19 hours ago||
"crypto and stablecoins will destroy them sooner or later."

LOL!

mrkramer 19 hours ago||
I meant digital dollar and digital euro, you won't need Visa and Mastercard anymore.
cyberax 19 hours ago||
Dollar is already "digital", and has been for the last 50 years or so.
mrkramer 19 hours ago||
I meant this https://www.federalreserve.gov/central-bank-digital-currency..., this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_euro and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_renminbi
cyberax 18 hours ago||
It's just buzzwordy bullshit. The European system is just a classic credit/debit system. The Chinese system is a bit more sophisticated, with offline capability and smart contracts.

But it doesn't use any distributed proof-of-work/stake stuff.