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Posted by bazzmt 2 hours ago

Vladimir Putin is losing his grip on Russia(www.economist.com)
32 points | 23 comments
chistev 1 hour ago|
I've heard this about a hundred times over the years.
timnetworks 26 minutes ago||
Me too. What I haven't heard until very recently is normal people either unafraid to say it, or afraid of the consequences of saying it less than the consequences of what is happening.

They lost the plot, it's a little too late, but it's new.

JimBlackwood 1 hour ago|||
I think the same every time I read this, but at one point it has to give, right?

Nothing is going well and economically the population is feeling it. I imagine this can’t go on much longer.

chistev 1 hour ago|||
>I think the same every time I read this, but at one point it has to give, right?

If you repeat this same news every time, then you'll eventually be right, yes.

torben-friis 1 hour ago||||
Anecdotally, the people I know who recently visited Moscow and St Petersburg claim they're not seeing significant struggle, and definitely not the 'risk your life for violent revolution' type of issues.
victorbjorklund 37 minutes ago|||
Because they are rich people who are in the rich parts of the richest cities. I’m sure if you walked the streets of Moscow in 1988 you wouldn’t see any significant struggle among the elite.
armada651 1 hour ago|||
Moscow and St Petersburg will be the absolute last places where you will see people struggle precisely because Putin knows it's important to keep those cities prosperous even if it's at the cost of people living outside of the major cities.
torben-friis 1 hour ago|||
Sure, but that's already 20% of population counting metro area. Add other well off areas, university towns, upper class in small towns, etc. and it doesn't seem to be looking super bad in the short term for them.
enoint 58 minutes ago|||
The enlistment bonuses tell that story: from St Petersburg, you get 10x the bonus compared to Dagestan.
Simulacra 26 minutes ago||||
I don't think so. An oligarchy can hold on for generations, look at North Korea.
nutjob2 1 hour ago|||
The Soviet Union, which was much worse, went on for a very long time. But it fell under similar circumstances, essentially bankrupted by a war in Afghanistan.

It's not so much when the population feels it, rather the elites who prop Putin up.

jemmyw 1 hour ago|||
The mistake that we seem to see repeatedly is blindness to adaptation. Russia's economy would have collapsed had the Russian government carried on exactly as things were before sanctions. No economy will really truly collapse while the people in it need an economy: they will make changes.

At some point those changes might include stopping the war and getting rid of Putin.

I don't think all commentators fall into this trap, but more thoughtful predictions get overwhelmed by those expousing more impactful ideas.

It does seem that Putin has lost something recently, a grip on the hearts and minds of a subset of Russians that previously backed him come what may. The war has been quite static this year, Russia still losing a lot of men, and hardening domestic policy on Internet use. I doubt it's enough for violent protests.

thisislife2 41 minutes ago||
I agree with you that war can easily become unpopular and turn people against their government. But is there any country, whose economy has been sanctioned by the foreigners and crippled by it, where the people then decided to overthrow their government? As far as I know my history, no. Foreign sanctions easily give every country an easy excuse to blame all economic problems on the foreigners. In every instance, they've actually united nations against their "common" enemy (i.e. the foreign sanctioner). They also provide an excuse to stifle criticism using state powers as any criticism on the government handling of the economy can be conveniently labelled as speaking the language of the "enemy" and / or supporting the "enemy".

While I understand that the true purpose of sanctions is to weaken a country's military, sometimes I do wonder if it is a war crime as it also ends up effectively "punishing the people".

ch_sm 15 minutes ago||
Isn‘t Iran a good counter-example? Heavily sanctioned, huge uprisings.
kingleopold 1 hour ago||
right, journalist a just liars at this point, lol
drakedrepar 1 hour ago||
The article is paywalled
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