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Posted by wrxd 3 hours ago

Forking the Web(dillo-browser.org)
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zkmon 1 hour ago||
The purpose should also be defined. It should answer the question why. Also, what's broken with scripting and what alternatives are proposed? What's the end state (with an example usage of the new web).
Izmaki 1 hour ago||
"Dillo Browser" was not what the first thing I read and wondered if me clicking the link was even a good idea... xD
iamnothere 1 hour ago|
Why? Dillo has been around forever, as long as w3m I think.

Edit: actually it looks like w3m was ‘95 and Dillo was ‘99.

andsoitis 1 hour ago||
dillo is close to dildo
iamnothere 1 hour ago||
From HN TOS:

> If you are under 13 years of age, you are not authorized to register to use the Site.

(By the way, are you aware that the largest bakery company in the US is named “Bimbo”? Tee hee! You should tell them to change their name!)

deanebarker 2 hours ago||
This is what you want: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)
Brendinooo 2 hours ago||
>Adding scripting capabilities was a mistake, so we can avoid it now

Gemini protocol?

Yokohiii 2 hours ago||
I am generally interested in approaches to cut down complexities of fundamental web technologies. Creating a browser from scratch shouldn't be impossible or a trillion dollar experiment. But...

> No scripting

How is will it be possible to go back? The average ecom presence usually relies heavily on JS. I haven't checked in a long time that any relevant sites work without JS. I think going back to more basic approaches could even improve user experience, as many usage patterns probably would converge and simply look and function as intended. But considering that the whole web world is so fixated to solve everything with JS seems like targeting the highest resistance target you can find. Don't get me wrong, I hate this situation and we must not have a single language that dominates everything.

I also don't believe is that enthusiasts will create a significant shift. They can surely provide the fundamentals, but if there isn't a huge mainstream impact, it will not change anything.

PaulHoule 2 hours ago||
Can't say I hate the HTML 5 spec. It resolves the ambiguities that made previous HTML specs insufficient to make a working web browser.

The standards that make my life miserable at times are the secondary standards like GDPR and WCAG as well as the de facto "standard" systems we are forced to participate in such as Cloudflare, the advertising economy, etc.

It's easy to say "WebUSB is bloat" and I'd certainly say PWA is something that could only come out of the mind that brought us Kubernetes, but lately I've been building biosignals applications and what should my choice be: write fragile GUI applications for the desktop that look like they came out of a lab and crash from memory leaks or spend 1/5 the time to make web applications that look like they belong in the cockpit of a Gundam and "just work"?

torgoguys 2 hours ago|
>I'd certainly say PWA is something that could only come out of the mind that brought us Kubernetes

How so? PWAs are awesome! Democratizing for users. Democratizing for developers. They work well for the right class of apps. They would go much further if there weren't forces actively resisting them. Think of all the electron type-apps out there. Now imagine if the average Joe could just install them from the web with 2 clicks.

(Regular ole bookmarks get you a decent percent of the way but clearly something extra than that was needed.)

aboardRat4 1 hour ago||
Isn't there already smolweb?
wuhhh 1 hour ago||
Isn’t the web forked enough already
smitty1e 1 hour ago|
"No scripting" is essentially setting the watcwatch back ~30 years to Mosaic.

It would be great to differentiate between "static" and "dynamic" pages based upon scripting, IMO.

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