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Posted by birdculture 1 day ago

Chrome's AI features may be hogging 4GB of your computer storage(www.theverge.com)
113 points | 58 comments
therealpygon 2 hours ago|
Hogging? This is a dvd worth of data on systems that likely store 200 times that while Microsoft delivers 20 gb updates that they just leave duplicates of laying around. People are really acting like storage is precious… it’s not 1995. Uninstall the software if you don’t like it. Chrome isn’t the only browser…

I might be more inclined to be understanding of this conversation if it was related to mobile phones, but desktops? I get that people think it should be opt-in, and I’m on the fence. There is also a simple way to disable on-device AI features. Outside of the “we never want AI” crowd, which fine whatever, I don’t get this weird focus on a 4gb in size. Maybe I’m just old and remember what it was like for disk space to actually be precious.

thunderbong 23 hours ago||
From 5 days ago, 1138 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019219

Holacc 1 day ago||
The local model powers the features nobody uses. The cloud model powers the feature everyone sees. You pay 4GB for the illusion of privacy.
chrsw 18 hours ago||
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would think Google is doing this for user's privacy. I admit I haven't dug into what's going on here in detail, but my first reaction was Google is running a small model on the user's side because it's doing things that _can_ be done on the user side and they don't want to waste their own compute to do it on their server side. I'm pretty sure whatever this thing is doing, Google can easily beam up some small amount of data, have a model churn on it and spit back the result to the user's browser. But why do all that if you can just run some small inference on the user's device?
gruez 23 hours ago|||
>You pay 4GB for the illusion of privacy.

How's this conspiracy supposed to work? A technical audience who cares about privacy aren't going to be placated by 4GB sitting on their disk. They're going to want some sort of analysis (like http interception), or probably not use chrome in the first place. A non-technical audience isn't going to make the association between 4GB of disk usage and the privacy implications.

skeeter2020 18 hours ago|||
1. I've got a Chrome local model stored on my drive 2. I see a heavily promoted "AI search" box in chrome

Natural Conclusion: when I use all the promoted AI features in chrome it's using the local AI model. This is not true; Google is being intentionally misleading.

apublicfrog 18 hours ago||
I suspect the type of person who is even aware of this 4GB blob is the type of person who would research its usage. Pretty high venn diagram crossover.
therealpygon 2 hours ago||
Yeah. The fictional user doesn’t know anything about AI but knows about this 4gb file…because of news stories about how bad a 4gb file must be. Outside of that, they don’t know or care and wonder if that means that need to add some more “memory” to their computer.
chronc6393 23 hours ago|||
> They're going to want some sort of analysis

And I want $1 billion dollars.

Doesn’t mean someone’s going to give it to me.

gruez 21 hours ago|||
Point is, nobody is going to be like "wow, chrome is eating up 4GB of my disk space? I totally trust it now!"
nicce 19 hours ago||
That misses the point of the original commenter. He is saying that local model only powers things where privacy is not so relevant and that creates the illusion.
hnlmorg 22 hours ago|||
Email me your bank details and I’ll send the money
shevy-java 22 hours ago||
I am beginning to suspect Google is mass-sniffing on us here. Then it suddenly makes sense that the blob gathers everything.
nicce 22 hours ago||
I am scared to even open Chrome these days. The only app that randomly chunks 70% of CPU availability with one tab.
spondyl 19 hours ago||
I had wondered if this was actually a bug and not intentional:

> When a user downloads or updates Chrome, Gemini Nano is downloaded on demand to ensure Chrome downloads the correct model for the user's hardware. The initial model download is triggered by the first call to a *.create() function (for example, Summarizer.create()) of any built-in AI API that depends on Gemini Nano.

This sounds like it could be possible that some part of Chrome, or perhaps a privileged website (ie; google.com), could be invoking `*.create()` 100% of the time? I don't actually know that this is what's going on or even if it's likely mind you.

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/understand-built-in-mod...

It is also quite ironic that one of the docs pages is titled "Inform users of model download" although it goes on to talk about notifying in terms of model download time, not necessarily getting user consent:

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/inform-users-of-model-d...

Weryj 1 day ago||
And Claude is hogging 12G for Cowork which I don’t want.
rijavecb 19 hours ago||
It's possible to get rid of it. Just delete the VM Bundle file(s) and add `"secureVmFeaturesEnabled": false` to your `claude_desktop_config.json`.

You can find more info here: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/22543#issue...

Weryj 10 hours ago|||
That was the first thing I did, it still recreated it. Surprisingly

But maybe that was a me error and worth a second shot.

manquer 16 hours ago|||
Doesn’t seem to work for windows ?.
alwillis 21 hours ago||
That’s mostly because it’s an Electron app. It would be a fraction of that if it were a native app on macOS or Windows.
SyrupThinker 20 hours ago||
This is more likely referring to the VM disk image the feature allocates, which would have little to do with Electron.
Weryj 19 hours ago|||
This, the vm bundle which reappears after you delete it. They say it's For Cowork and Claude Code, but if you don't use Cowork or CC sandboxing, it has no value. Considering I'm always finding things to delete on apples anaemic 512gb because I run out of space.
nicce 20 hours ago|||
Well Electron includes Chromium. Maybe that pulls the 4GB model as well… not sure if it is Chrome only.
seam_carver 23 hours ago||
I recently switched to Safari, I'm actually very impressed by how well it works.
datenyan 17 hours ago|
I would love to use Safari more, but unfortunately Facebook Messenger and similar ilk (maybe all messaging apps?) seems to be completely busted on it.
seam_carver 12 hours ago||
messenger.com won't allow new sessions on any browsers afaik. https://www.facebook.com/messages works fine
sethops1 22 hours ago||
This is what finally pushed me into using Brave.
arkensaw 21 hours ago||
Chrome takes up a few gigs on windows for no good reason anyway, mostly caching of websites you went to one time
shevy-java 22 hours ago|
Google is abusing people here.

I don't want that AI crap on my computer. This is like a trojan horse.

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