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Posted by showmypost 14 hours ago

I let AI build a tool to help me figure out what was waking me up at night(martin.sh)
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lucalouren 39 minutes ago|
This is amazing. I wish I had this when I was struggling with sleep. I tried a lot of things and stacked them:

Mouth taping (stopped snoring immediately), magnesium glycinate before bed, no screens an hour before sleep, keeping the room cold, not eating dinner so late and regular sauna sessions. Individually they helped.

Together they made a real difference, loud cars and city noise don't wake me up anymore.

I know it sounds like biohacker stuff, but it works. This tool makes it possible to actually find the root cause instead of just guessing. Love it!

aquir 9 minutes ago||
I know what is waking me up at night...my neighbour is going out to smoke weed at 0:30am and 3:00am and the smoke wafts into my room (it is warm enough to leave one window slightly open). He's also listening to some podcast w/o earphones and also coughing a lot because of smoking the weed.
babblingfish 12 hours ago||
Hey, OP, consider sleeping with ear plugs. They're scientifically proven to reduce night time awakenings due to audio disturbances. [1]

[1] https://academic.oup.com/sleep/advance-article/doi/10.1093/s...

apt-apt-apt-apt 9 hours ago||
Don't listen to him– he is a cat burglar, and you being deaf at night helps him steal your cats.
gchamonlive 7 hours ago||
Is there such a flourishing black market for subtracted cats that would prompt burglars to steal these pets?
fugaziboutit 2 hours ago|||
You can't subtract cats, you have to concatenate then truncate.
ro_bit 6 hours ago|||
Yeah they just finished their series A funding yesterday. Sorry to hear you missed out
gchamonlive 29 minutes ago|||
It's alright, I'll just hide my cats along with my kids and wife.
fwipsy 4 hours ago|||
I don't think it will work out. Dwarf fortress got it right. Cats own you, not vice versa.
sebastiennight 3 hours ago||
Which is the infinite money glitch.

You're worth X.

You have 1 cat who owns you, total value X.

Get 10 black market cats for free, now 11 cats own you for a total net worth of 11X.

That's even before considering the compound effect of each cat owning a human worth 11X, which means you can divest from 1 cat for 11X, and still be worth 110*X.

The system basically works like xAI shares. Don't look too close into it.

gchamonlive 28 minutes ago||
That's seems like a shady business, I'll have a thousand shares
i5heu 6 hours ago|||
AFAIK there is some inflammation potential if earplugs are used all night everyday.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/advice-wearing-ea...

AlexCoventry 5 hours ago|||
I've been using them for decades without issue, FWIW.
saaaaaam 3 hours ago||
You are either a scientific anomaly or a single data point. Or both.
raffael_de 50 minutes ago|||
Well, then I am another anomaly and data point. I'm using ear plugs for 30 years at least 95% of nights. Never ever had an ear infection.
simondanisch 42 minutes ago||||
Me too, 20 years without a single ear infection and without a single day without ear plugs
csomar 37 minutes ago|||
I have found it depends on how comfortable the earplugs are. If I feel they are uncomfortable in the ear, there is a good chance I'll get an infection/inflammation in the next few days.
w29UiIm2Xz 6 hours ago||||
Trash night (early morning) is once a week in my area. You can use the ear plugs strategically.
danaw 5 hours ago||||
ime finding the right earplugs is the key. there are lots of options a of diameter, density and material to try out. getting the right one made a big difference for me
card_zero 3 hours ago||
Foam: cheap, scratchy, ineffective. This one will give you abrasions sometimes.

Silicone: expensive, effective, fussy.

Wax: cheap, effective, disposable. (Needs warming up, slight drawback.)

zfnmxt 2 hours ago||
I have like 20 brands of foam earplugs in my drawer, 5 different pairs of custom silicone airplugs, unusual earplugs from Kickstarter like [1], and so on. What I'm saying is I know my way around the earplug block. Here's what I'd write for your categories:

Foam: The most effective, by far. I suspect many people wear them incorrectly and do not insert them far enough. You can use lube (they make special ear lube for stuff like hearing aids, although I think anything medical grade will do) if you have difficulty doing so. I have unusually small ear canals; the most comfortable and best I've found by a mile are Mack's Ultra Soft Foam Earplugs. These are much more comfortable than slim fit alternatives and also have very high attenuation.

Silicone: expensive (but they're reusable and last years), but the least fussy once you get them. They are moulded to your goddamn ear---it's a perfect, pressure-free fit every time and they go right in. Drawbacks include lesser attenuation and attenuation that isn't immediately at 100%---it takes a while for it to "seal". I abadoned these once moisture started to accumulate between my ear canal and the plug and I'd hear it as I moved and it became very annoying.

Wax: joke attenuations compared to foam, and bad compared to silicone. The most expensive long-term unless you're serious about reuse. Somewhat fussy and may fall out. Very comfortable (little insertion).

Foam + wax: this is what you really want if you care about maximum attenuation. My ear canals are slightly too short to comfortably insert an entire Mack's earplug, so I snip the ends off mine, lube them up, and insert them completely flush into my ear canal. Then, I take a wax plug and mould it on top. It's perfectly comfortable and it performs better than any other option I'm aware of. I tend to also wear a Bluetooth sleep mask and play rain sounds on 100% volume and it just comes through the double earplug situation to mask any very loud/spurious noise. To remove the flush-inserted earplugs, I use a pair of blunt tweezers.

When I used slim fit foam earplugs I'd routinely get ear infections. Switching to silicone fixed that, but suffered from the aforementioned issues. With the ultra soft earplugs + wax method I never get ear infections. I make sure to always insert a fresh pair (but I reuse the wax ones for a few days) and to always do so with clean hands. I think the infections are due to friction between the plug and the canal during insertion as well as plugs that are too large/exert too much pressure once expanded---the lube and very soft plug addresses those issues.

[1] https://paxauris.com/

raffael_de 47 minutes ago|||
I have the same experience with foam being best at noise blocking. The brand makes a big difference. 3M ear plugs are terrible. Best brand is Oropax.
card_zero 2 hours ago||||
Oh well lube would make a huge difference, it's true. Some places require me to wear foam ones for health and safety reasons, and I always put water on them, for softness and a good seal. By calling the silicone ones fussy I just meant that they need washing, really (I am lazy). I buy big boxes of wax ones, they cost approximately nothing and come with a little storage container, and then I throw the current pair away after a week or two, mainly because they start to look gross (I suspect bacteria don't actually find paraffin wax hospitable).
petesergeant 1 hour ago|||
> they make special ear lube

huh, potentially a game-changer. Thank you!

kuerbel 5 hours ago||||
That's bad, because I suffer from pulse-synchronous tinnitus and they help. Can't find a cause though, on some days it's gone completely.
d--b 6 hours ago||||
yeah my wife has some custom made silicon ones. She frequently gets external otitis from wearing them too many nights in a row.
IshKebab 4 hours ago|||
I guess it depends on the person because I've been wearing them every night for years with no side effects. I use those laser lite ones and use a new pair every night (they're very cheap).

The only downside is you get used to the quiet and it means when I don't sleep with them I get a worse night sleep than I used to. (But I still get a better night sleep with them than when I didn't use them.)

jillesvangurp 5 hours ago|||
I've been using those for a few years. I also cover my eyes with a sleeping mask in the summer. In this part of the world (Berlin) it gets light around 4am in the summer. About 3-4 hours before I want to wake up. I'm sensitive to light, I sleep longer in the winter.
Mashimo 4 hours ago|||
Or as an alternative I use blackout curtains.

Once I also had automatic blackout blinds, they would slowly roll up before my my alarm rings. All controlled by home assistant, which can read the phono alarm time. Waking up slowly by light is nice :)

Cthulhu_ 1 hour ago|||
Heavy / blackout curtains are great for noise insulation / echoes / reverb / heat management, too. But there's often some leakage above and below, so a combination of blackout curtains, blinds, and / or outdoor blinds is likely the best option. But that's three separate investments and may not be possible if you rent.
camillomiller 3 hours ago|||
Depending on your setup it might not be enough. I have those in the bedroom, but I can't install them on the rest of the flat (they're not the most beautiful). Leaving the bedroom door open for proper air quality leads inevitably to light coming in from other rooms. Yes it's that bright in Berlin at 4am in summer. Therefore I second the mask. There are a lot of option that are super comfortable and cheap on Amazon.
khafra 2 hours ago||
What about your rouladen? Articulated steel blinds block quite a lot of light, don't they?
corgihamlet 1 hour ago||
You mean "Rollläden", Rouladen are the rolled meat things.
khafra 46 minutes ago||
Are you sure they're not the same thing? I'm quite certain I've heard people talk about "beef curtains."
burner420042 3 hours ago|||
Same for Seattle! And I got one for the exact same reasons. Once you got used to them, a sleeping mask and earplugs is pure bliss.
showmypost 12 hours ago|||
I have custom molded ones. They help a lot, however high pitched sudden noises still get through and wake me up. I never managed to sleep without earplugs since moving to this city. Not considering moving due to the quality of life (apart from the noise)
joenot443 10 hours ago|||
Are custom molded ones better?

I’ve been using swimmers plugs for a few years now and they’ve been fine. Do you use an eye mask too?

showmypost 2 hours ago|||
There are special molded ones optimized for sleep. Cost me around 100€, never going back.

But I think you need to get lucky with the ear canal print. Mine had 30 days return policy of they don’t fit well. I did it in a local store

throwaway219450 8 hours ago||||
They are pretty comfortable, though they take getting used to because the seal is perfect and you'll slightly pressurize your ear canal which is a strange feeling. They'll also fit slightly inside your ear, so lying sideways is fine.

The downside is they're very expensive, relative to other earplugs and mine no longer seal as well as they used to so I'd need to get a new pair. They're still better than nothing. I started using earbuds around the same time, from using cans, and I wonder if I've very slightly widened my ear's opening.

I also use an eye mask if I'm somewhere that doesn't have good curtains or blinds. Really works very well, but I recommend one that wraps around and doesn't have an elastic band to dig into your ears (Matador makes a good one).

avidiax 9 hours ago||||
Yes. Wearing regular earplugs will change the shape of your ear, and many people can't tolerate it every night.
udfalkso 9 hours ago|||
They don’t block much more noise but they’re much more comfortable
throwaway2037 3 hours ago|||
I am curious: What city?
showmypost 2 hours ago||
Barcelona, Spain. Basically narrow streets, full of loud motorbikes, mostly single glassing in windows, trash collection happens for some reason at night, noisy culture. Still love the city though. But originally grew up in a quiet country and on the outside the city with 0 noise during day and night
seemaze 7 hours ago|||
I have fallen into the (questionable) habit of sleeping with Airpods. I used to wake up with my mind racing and not be able to fall back asleep. The Airpods helped distract and sedate my midnight thoughts such that I would fall back asleep much quicker than without. I've progressively shifted towards falling asleep listening to the droll of engaging non-fiction, but keep them in my ears in noise canceling mode with no media for the remainder of my night.

Again, not medical advice, just anectdotal experience..

Edit: this is entirely due to the 'Stop playing when falling asleep' function of iOS 26, which I loathe. But this feature barely make it worthwhile.

linkregister 4 hours ago|||
The tinnitus is deafeningly loud with earplugs for me. Better to have a white noise generator or a fan running.
rob74 2 hours ago||
I sympathize with you, but there are people who don't have a tinnitus, and for those, they might be a solution...
wiseowise 6 hours ago|||
How can anyone sleep with these things? My ears get extremely sweaty and sore after half an hour.
ifh-hn 2 hours ago|||
This, this exactly. Uncomfortable and itchy to the point of keeping me awake until I take them out. Do not understand how anyone can sleep with them in!
globular-toast 4 hours ago|||
I take ear plugs with me when travelling but I really hate wearing them. I've tried all kinds. Silicone is best. There is a knack to making them a bit more comfortable, but they're still not great. I sleep on my side which probably doesn't help. If I wear them for more than a couple of nights my ears get really sore.

What they're good for is sleeping due to desperation while travelling. I couldn't imagine having to wear them every day at home. That sounds like hell.

Eridrus 9 hours ago|||
Yeah, this seems like a way overengineered solution.

I moved to the US 15 years ago and it was too noisey for me to sleep well (fire trucks, cars, etc), but ear plugs solved the problem and are portable to other places you might need to sleep.

helsontaveras18 9 hours ago||
I recommend these: Mack's Pillow Soft Silicone Earplugs. Can be found on Amazon. Block out A LOT of noise.

They’re little putty molds that you shape to fit your ear.

I also rip them in half before molding so I get 2 ear plugs from 1 putty.

arwhatever 4 hours ago|||
Quies foamies. After wearing military issue 3M foamies around jet engines for years, I bought some of these Quies and were very surprised to discover that they could be made so comfortable, and also long lasting.
dddddaviddddd 7 hours ago|||
Wax-style earplugs like you describe are the only kind that a friend of mine uses. The foam ones never fit them.
CamelCaseCondo 3 hours ago|||
Whenever I sleep with ear plugs, I wake up with brain fog.
b3ing 12 hours ago|||
I would think earwax build up would increase with that
koyote 8 hours ago|||
Definitely does.

I used to wear them every night and they definitely improved my sleep. But then I also had instances where my ear was blocked with wax for several days.

YMMV

knicholes 9 hours ago||||
My suspicion from regular use of ear plugs is that the wax sticks to the plug every night. I use a new set every night. Pretty wasteful, but man, I need my sleep.
donkers 8 hours ago||
I use Loop silicone earplugs, they’re reusable and washable. Used to use the disposables but got tired of the waste.
ulrikrasmussen 7 hours ago||||
I can confirm. I also use in-ear headphones daily which I think exacerbates it further. It can be fixed by an occasional ear wash though.
anonymars 8 hours ago||||
Yeah, they can block drainage
DANmode 9 hours ago|||
I used to have lots of earwax buildup that kept me from using earplugs.

Then I fixed my health.

PyWoody 9 hours ago||
What did you do to fix your earwax buildup?
DANmode 7 hours ago|||
Leave the environments that stimulated it.

Stop eating the foods that stimulate it.

I now have visible production on a tissue or cotton swab once a week or fewer.

sevg 6 hours ago||
There’s no real evidence linking specific foods with ear wax production.

Also, for anyone getting reading this, cotton swabs in your ears is a bad idea and usually makes the problem worse (pushes wax in and compacts it).

DANmode 5 hours ago|||
> There’s no real evidence linking specific foods with ear wax production.

That’s not what’s being discussed.

They asked what I did.

This is anecdata.

and anecdotally:

I no longer make enough wax to see in a month.

sevg 5 hours ago||
You’re free to share your anecdata.

But you also shouldn’t be surprised if someone challenges the implications or merits of your anecdata, for the benefit of others that might take it as good advice.

DANmode 4 hours ago||
Yes, it’s no longer good advice to

checks notes

consider switching up environment

or diet/things you’re ingesting,

if you’re generating excess goo known for waste-carrying,

and protection from environmental debris...

Are you serious?

Feel free to struggle until a peer-reviewed study gives you permission not to,

but don’t be surprised if others continue making basic observations and improvements for themselves.

sevg 3 hours ago||
I didn’t refute a link between environmental factors and ear wax production. Nor did I say improving diet isn’t a good thing in general.

But changing your diet won’t help with ear wax. And cotton swabs are a bad idea.

You seem upset; this is just a discussion on an internet forum. It’s ok for people to have different opinions and share them in a thread :)

DANmode 3 hours ago||
You changing YOUR diet may not help your earwax.

Changing mine does - and I can reliably show it - and I’m what was asked about.

Also, cotton-swabs or a tissue aren’t a bad idea (again, anecdotally for me - what was asked about)

unless one has build-up,

and/or the ear opening has become smaller as a protective measure,

ensuring one rifles the gunk in from the walls,

instead of going past it in the center,

and then pulling out and around the walls.

Most have ear-openings too-tight to even know what I’m referring to.

Anyway, not upset, just steadfast that words matter.

and that individuals don’t need the permission of peer-reviewed studies (or you!) to make basic improvements in their lives.

strathmeyer 8 hours ago|||
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elchief 9 hours ago|||
i find earplugs so uncomfortable that it ruins my night
avidiax 9 hours ago|||
Get custom fitted ones at an audiologist.

They are very comfortable, at least in the upward facing ear, for me. Foamies are only tolerable a couple of nights for me.

duskdozer 7 hours ago||
Do they suppress as much noise?
jaggederest 5 hours ago||
The ones I have are rated at about 20db, compared to approximately 30db for the best foam earplugs, but they are much more comfortable for every-night wear. I use foam ear plugs occasionally when I know I'm going to be in a very noisy environment or need perfect sleep.
DANmode 6 hours ago|||
I was dealing with longterm chronic infections, when my ears were that sensitive.
vlod 7 hours ago|||
Maybe I've seen too many horror movies, but aren't you concerned about not hearing an intruder and being able to respond? Maybe I'm paranoid. :)
Waterluvian 7 hours ago||
Is the risk of intruders a real or a perceived problem? How does it weigh with sleep quality?

Frankly, my sleep is so poor that if they mind the noise level they can take what they can carry.

vlod 7 hours ago|||
A would be intruder did bang on my door at 3am (I guess to test if anyone was in) and I looked pretty pissed off and menacing when I opened the door (ex prop forward rugby player) and they ran off. Maybe not the smartest move on my part.

Apparently they immediately decided to break into my neighbours a few doors down while people were sleeping.

lsaferite 7 hours ago||||
As I sit in bed at midnight, winding down from my day, this comment gave me a great belly laugh. Thanks!
CalRobert 6 hours ago|||
Smoke detectors are another reason
jaggederest 5 hours ago|||
Luckily smoke detectors and true (loud) emergencies seem to punch right through without any issues.
Zetaphor 6 hours ago|||
I wear ear plugs every night. The disposable foam ones are good enough to prevent me from being woken up by my partner getting ready before me, but I would most certainly hear a fire alarm. I'm laying in bed right now with them in and I can still hear the fan pointed at me. They significantly reduce low-mid range frequencies, but they're not 100% soundproof
camillomiller 3 hours ago||
No no, we first need to adopt a technology that consumes more water and energy than a small town to solve a problem we've already solved!

Jokes aside: overengineering issue like this to LEARN a new coding language, hardware setup, platform etc. used to be a great opportunity for skills growth. Now honestly it's hard to justify, if you're using AI to do it. With the added insult that the sycophantic AI will also make you feel like a genius for overthinking a stupid idea.

pech0rin 3 hours ago||
take your anti-technology sentiment back to reddit please. very annoying to hear same thing repeated 100 times on every post.
stavros 3 hours ago|||
It's especially tiring how apparently datacenters were invented last year. Datacenters were fine when you were using them to encode video for the billionth mindless TikTok short, but AI suddenly made them the scourge of the earth?
camillomiller 2 hours ago|||
Have you thought about the fact that people are expressing a valid consensus on how the technology is being appropriated and deployed, and used to concentrate wealth for a limited few faster and more worryingly than ever before?

This comment is particularly infuriating, because I FUCKING LOVE TECHNOLOGY, my own entire existence is built around the fantastic opportunities to do good that tech opened for us, before it was appropriated and capitalized and optimized and turned into a tool of domination.

So, franly GO FUCK YOURSELF, simp.

pizzly 13 hours ago||
This is really cool. We did a similar thing around 2 years ago but didn't use AI in that case. Just used a phone to record a few nights sleeping. Then a python script. I manually listened for some time in order to find the threshold amplitude (where all sounds would be ignored below and tracked above). Generated a graph that should the spikes of interest. Clicked on the spikes which went to the timestamp in the audio and listened. Not super scientific I know.

Two observations. 1. Often you wake up after a loud noise but like 5 minutes later with no memory of it. 2. even if you don't wake up from the noise your breathing changes, more likely to talk in sleep and shuffle more. So even if you not waking up your quality of sleep is disrupted.

Our case had some random construction like noise in the early morning, lasted around 10 seconds and disappeared. However, we noted even ordinary sounds we didn't think was loud was effecting our sleep.

Solution for that place was earplugs and a loud fan to generate white noise.

showmypost 12 hours ago||
You definitely went for a simpler solution!

And thanks for sharing that comment, I can second your two observations

For multiple months, I thought I’m waking up at night because I need to go to the bathroom so often (even checked for insulin resistance but markers were perfect). Interestingly enough, most of the times (not always) there are one or multiple louder sounds just before I wake up to go to the bathroom. Zero memory or conscious perception of the noise, still woke up and feeling like I need to go to the bathroom

stavros 3 hours ago||
One time there was construction/renovation going on one floor below mine. I'm talking sledgehammers, jackhammers, the whole shebang.

For some reason, I've never slept better. Every little noise generally wakes me up (like someone walking in the same room) but the demolition noises kind of numbed me to all audio, apparently.

I also somehow sleep better when I leave a window open, and get some morning sun and noise? Though in that case, loud motorcycles revving will probably wake me up, but random people talking/shouting is fine.

shiandow 9 minutes ago||
A flash of lightning following a boom, that would wake me up all right.
nevi-me 13 hours ago||
That CO2 concentration looks unhealthy, I wonder to what extent it's affecting your sleep quality (as opposed to waking you up).

> Measure before you fix

In my case, I got a few IKEA CO2 sensors, and after leaving them in the bedrooms for a few days, we found that leaving an outside window slightly open + the bedroom door open, kept the CO2 levels below 600PPM at night.

We're 1000ft/300m away from a motorway, but fortunately the noise pollution isn't bad. So ventilating (even as it's getting cold) turned out to be a simple fix. I hadn't thought of collecting sleep data from our devices, but maybe I'll get an AI to do that, so I can correlate our sleep quality with the environment.

mft_ 46 minutes ago||
I was a bit surprised at the level of those readings.

Anecdotally, we have an air monitor gadget and the highest I've ever seen (small home office, fairly well-sealed, winter, me working there all day with no ventilation) was around 1100-1200 PPM. I get that two people in a small sealed bedroom could push it higher, but 3350 PPM?!

showmypost 12 hours ago|||
The levels I have at night indeed are unhealthy, I’m still trying to find the best way to tackle this challenge..

Most wakeups are from noise (I can see it in the data) but high CO2 levels can also make me a lighter sleeper.

Not sure where you’re based but in Europe the priority is mostly on heat isolation, so air movement suffers. The US is better in that regard. There was a big thread on that topic on X the other week (Peter the indie hacker initiated it and there were some good recommendations in case you’re the owner of the flat)

ddxv 8 hours ago|||
Is your bedroom approaching 4 or 5k PPM? The chart screen shotted was at 3300+ and it looks like it kept going up after. Hopefully it's a bad sensor reading, but that is very high. I sleep in a small room with a few people and it's maybe 1500 and noticeable when that happens. Getting to 5k is potentially dangerous for extended periods of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Below_1%

elliotto 5 hours ago||||
Hi, Co2 levels like that are severely high and will cause you to have a lot of issues. I had some issues with poor ventilation and headaches in my apartment, and my solution was to run the bathroom fan all the time - this gave me enough ventilation to feel much better. You're basically suffocating at 3000 ppm.

It's important to measure this somehow - I do this with a $100 Co2 sensor and display I got off amazon, but you seem to already have these sensors available.

iknowSFR 9 hours ago|||
https://archive.ph/dd5Kl

“Almost 2%. The reduction in carbon-dioxide concentration when 60 square centimetres of plants were placed in an office, according to one study.”

aucisson_masque 2 hours ago|||
Everyone gets unhealthy CO2 levels if the bedroom doesn't have air extraction inside or you don't leave the door opened.

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things tho ? I have a captor at home, even when I leave the door opened and CO2 remains low, I don't notice anything different at wakeup.

nevi-me 1 hour ago||
It can be the difference between between feeling like you're suffocating, not getting enough oxygen to rest enough/sleep well.

I notice a difference if I move between a ventilated room vs congested one. I suppose it depends on what's causing the concentration. If it's human breath, I'll smell freshness. If it's e.g. burning a portable gas heater (common in my part of the world), I'll feel like I'm not inhaling smoke (probably small amounts of CO).

A few years ago, I would sometimes wake up at night and open a window wide, or go open the outside door and stand there for 5-10 minutes.

jdsnape 12 hours ago|||
I also agree co2 levels are super important, but I’m wondering: in your situation isn’t air pollution from the motorway a concern? Not sure how to balance that one
megous 12 hours ago||
3k+ is well into the headache / feel really bad range

we rarely get over 1k here

doctorpangloss 10 hours ago|||
yeah... the problem is that his vibecoded dashboard or sensor readings are buggy
Eric_WVGG 12 hours ago||
plants plants plants. Most of these are dummy easy to care for, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Clean_Air_Study#List_of_p...
jdsnape 12 hours ago|||
Plants are nice…but, from your link:

“These results are not applicable to typical buildings, where outdoor-to-indoor air exchange already removes volatile organic compounds (VOCs) at a rate that could only be matched by the placement of 10–1000 plants/m2 of a building's floor space.[2]

The results also failed to replicate in future studies”

bustermellotron 5 hours ago||
You could use air scrubbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_lime
showmypost 12 hours ago||||
You’d need a forest in your room to see a proper change. There was a whole discussion in the Indie hacking scene on X on that topic around 1-2 weeks ago

Big fan of plants though, help me feel calm

globular-toast 4 hours ago|||
Plants release CO2 at night, though. Not much, but they certainly won't help to remove it unless they are photosynthesising.
jmspring 10 hours ago||
Interesting. I may need to add some sensors.

I spend time in two places. San Juan Islands WA and Santa Cruz, CA.

On island, nights are too quiet. During the day, a float plane a mile away sounds like it is next door.

In Santa Cruz, the house is on a major street. Busses, ambulances all sorts of yahoos.

I sleep better quiet. But I sleep even better when settled - mind not going, etc.

I generally don’t sleep well at all. The biggest factor is - has my brain settled. Background and noise don’t matter.

asdff 8 hours ago||
I find if I work out consistently I am always getting great sleep and getting really tired in the evening, but if I don't I might not ever feel tired then I look up and it's 3am. I never made the connection between heavy exercise and sleep before, but it seems obvious in hindsight. Got to do what we are built to do not what modern life insists we do.
jmspring 8 hours ago||
I think being active, especially evenings, is helpful. When in Santa Cruz, my wife ensures via threat (joking) that I attend her evening pilates classes. It does help with sleep.
glenngillen 9 hours ago|||
I recently had (and then lost/left on a plane!) a Lumenate Nova[1] and found it was very helpful at quickly getting me away from the mind going state. I work very late to overlap with distant timezones and would often find it difficult to get to sleep once I went to bed given I've been staring at screens and on calls only minutes before hitting the pillow. This was great.

[1] https://lumenate.co/lumenate-nova/

j_bum 9 hours ago|||
“Has my brain settled” I feel this.

I started meditating recently (~10mins per day) and have found it to be surprisingly effective. It’s a combination of body scanning & mindfulness meditation.

It doesn’t always help, but tends to.

jmspring 8 hours ago||
I used to do yoga and meditation. I let that slip while life transitions. I have some meds from my doctor (seroquel) which is knock me out, but getting back to being active and disconnecting is a better approach than pills.
taurath 6 hours ago||
I find my mind goes straight to settled if my phone and all configurable electronics are in a completely separate room. Its like I give up seeking more stimulation.

An off topic addendum - those are 2 very nice places to be. Maybe someday.

aucisson_masque 2 hours ago||
Sidenote but still, I put ear plugs for 5 years already. It doesn't hurt, you don't feel anything, but it helps tremendously to stay asleep. Better than trying to fix your environment.

I even heard of people going to sleep with airpods pro in their ear.

Now that it's fixed tho my body decided I would need to pee every night about 2 hours after I went to bed... La vieillesse est un naufrage.

Tade0 2 hours ago|
At times, when my SO is snoring, I just put my overhead headphones, turn on noise cancelling, put some gentle music on and lay on my back until I fall asleep.

Not exactly great, but does the job.

Using ear plugs in the past caused infections as I have curved ear canals.

dmos62 4 hours ago||
Environment management is important, but internal relaxation skills and similar are as important. Consider doing body scans, various visualizations, breathing exercises when going to bed: I found a 20mn guided exercise I liked (it was yoga nidra) and in a few months it transformed me from a "horrible sleeper" into someone who actually enjoys sleep.
jamisteven 2 hours ago|
All that work and you could have just bought a white noise machine on amazon for 25 bucks and been done, why?!
farfatched 10 minutes ago||
Kind of sucks to have to sleep with a white noise machine?
yaseer 2 hours ago|||
Or just used earplugs. They can take some getting used to, but are worth it noisy disturbances are affecting your sleep.

If the goal was to have fun, that's great. If the goal was to solve a problem, I'm reminded of when engineers build over-engineered solutions, when a simple solution is available.

jaapz 1 hour ago||
Workaround vs fix

Also, why not?

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