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Posted by aduffy 16 hours ago

Quack: The DuckDB Client-Server Protocol(duckdb.org)
293 points | 60 comments
steve_adams_86 8 hours ago|
I was just wishing something like this existed last week. What timing.

I'm piping sensor readings into duckdb with a deno server, and couldn't use duckdb -ui to look over the data without shutting down the server. I had no interest in using the server to allow me to look at the contents of the db, so I was just going to live with it for now. This perfectly solves that, along with several other similar kinds of problems I've encountered with duckdb.

duckdb is my favourite technology of 2025/26. It has worked its way into so many of my workflows. It's integral to how I work with LLMs, how I store all kinds of data, analytics, data pipelines... I love it.

rglover 13 hours ago||
This is rad. I've been eyeballing using DuckDB in my firm's internal app framework and this just solved the "but how do I horizontally scale this" problem. Kudos to the DuckDB folks. Love "Quack" for the protocol name, too.
simlevesque 15 hours ago||
I like DuckDB but I'm not sure what it wants to be. There's always new ways to use it and it's not easy to see what's the right one.
wenc 12 hours ago||
DuckDB is both a standalone and a component. This effort is actually very coherent and brings it back into a familiar usage model — that of a traditional client server RDBMS.

RDBMS have always been multi-user concurrent systems. DuckDB is a very fast local engine that has a multitude of use cases because it is a embeddable in other systems.

It’s like saying what does SQLite wanna be? It’s in your phones, your browser, your desktop apps, iot devices and people have extended it in different directions. The only difference here is that this is first party not third party. But to me it’s a very legible move.

philipallstar 20 minutes ago|||
If SQLite added a protocol and client/server code to talk to other SQLites, it might get similar questions.
simlevesque 7 hours ago|||
SQLite isn't a moving target like DuckDB is. It's scope is very well defined.

I'm not knocking Quack or DuckDB but I'm starting to get a bit confused.

fastasucan 4 hours ago|||
Just find the one that is right for you.
whalesalad 14 hours ago|||
Our data pipeline produces .duckdb files that our app downloads (it watches the asset in S3 and pulls when etag changes). Makes it easy to get BQ/Clickhouse like performance without running or paying for that infrastructure. Not perfect for all cases, but it handles a lot more than you would expect.
duzer65657 13 hours ago|||
this is a great use-case for duckdb, but not sure how it maps to the use of this protocol?
esafak 10 hours ago|||
Roughly how big are the datasets?
whalesalad 9 hours ago||
~30GB .duckdb file
slotix 13 hours ago|||
I read it less as "DuckDB wants to become Postgres" and more as DuckDB becoming an execution layer inside bigger workflows.

The engine is often not the painful part anymore. The pain is the stuff around it: live DBs, S3 paths, Parquet files, credentials, repeatable runs, exports, validation, and the moment a one-off script quietly becomes infrastructure.

Quack makes the remote/server part cleaner, but the bigger trend seems to be DuckDB becoming the SQL layer inside tools, not necessarily the final user-facing tool.

Lemaxoxo 14 hours ago||
+1

I can't think of many use cases for this and Arrow Flight, other than moving data around.

twoodfin 14 hours ago|||
The use case is local user DuckDB talking to MotherDuck for $.

This is not commercially a terrible idea. Why keep paying Snowflake for bog-standard SQL query workload when SF makes it easy to migrate to Iceberg & commodity engines like MotherDuck?

szarnyasg 14 hours ago|||
Hello, DuckDB DevRel here. Quack is independent from MotherDuck. MotherDuck has its own proprietary protocol, which has been around for years and it supports things like dual execution – see more here:

https://duckdb.org/quack/faq#what-is-the-relationship-betwee...

Of course, in the future MotherDuck can also support Quack, but this is not the only interesting use case for Quack.

twoodfin 14 hours ago||
Sure! Not knocking the architecture: Building out peer-to-peer federation in place of client/server makes perfect sense for DuckDB. And I’m a big fan of owning the protocol so you can optimize it to internal structures.

Just making the point that DuckDB is disruptive technology & what it’s most likely to disrupt.

simlevesque 7 hours ago|||
MotherDuck is very expensive.
ks2048 9 hours ago||||
"moving data around" is what millions of people of do all day, every day.
jtbaker 14 hours ago|||
uh, doing analytics type queries on large datasets that postgres would choke on, as an RPC? I'm using it (ducklake specifically) to build a lakehouse RPC server that can scale horizontally based on resource utilization in k8s.
Lemaxoxo 13 hours ago||
Right, I get that usecase. You have to crunch numbers that sit somewhere, and store the outputs in the same place. DuckLake is great for that. But where does this DuckDB client-server setup fit in?
jtbaker 12 hours ago||
Sounds like it means you don't have to wire up the RPC server yourself anymore? Just build a docker container that invokes this quack server command, expose it over the network and connect to it from remote clients using your own access controls?

Ducklake handles the metadata and storage, but a local duckdb instance connected to it still has to do the compute itself. This lets you federate access to the compute.

Fun for me, I just finished a big streaming implementation doing essentially the same thing in Go-gRPC with arrow table record batches. It was fun though.

smithclay 5 hours ago||
Been working on open-source projects involving storing and querying observability data (metrics, logs, traces) in parquet[0] and have been frustrated with the usability of Apache Iceberg … despite strongly agreeing and wanting to use an open storage format and catalog.

This makes Ducklake much more interesting for my use case, excited where this is going.

[0] https://github.com/smithclay/duckdb-otlp

feverzsj 6 hours ago||
They didn't explain what "concurrent writers" is. But seems it's just serialized writes on server side.
geysersam 35 minutes ago|
I don't think that's correct. DuckDB already supports concurrent writes within one process. I don't see why this would suddenly serialize all writes.
microflash 9 hours ago||
This is fantastic. I’ve been building an Excel-like but columnar spreadsheet app using DuckDB and had to reinvent the “client” through classic HTTP layer.
NortySpock 14 hours ago||
Sounds useful for small-ball internal analytics datasets you want to place on shared team server.

I can definitely see exploring this for some homelab use.

arpinum 13 hours ago|
With ducklake this scales well to multi-terabyte data sets. The big benefit of this server protocol is sharing a high memory server and taking advantage of a shared cache for recent data.
hermitcrab 12 hours ago||
I have a C++ application. Everything is in memory during execution. Saved to disk between session as XML. Works great, except that that it is strictly single user and some of my customers would love me to generalize it for multiple concurrent users reading and writing. Performance requirements are quite low - a few thousand records being updated by 2 or 3 people at a time. Would DuckDb + Quack be a good choice for this? Or are there better choices? I looked at SQLite, but I understand it doesn't operate as client server.
password4321 8 hours ago||
https://firebirdsql.org has been flying under the radar in-between SQLite and full-blown PostgreSQL for decades, but if you're asking which client-server database to use PostgreSQL is the default recommendation.
hermitcrab 2 hours ago||
Did some reading. Given my modest performance requirements, Firebird might be a good choice due to simpler install and admin. Thanks.
downsplat 7 minutes ago||
If postgres is too heavyweight for you but you still want client-server, I'd consider MySql. It's an old classic, pretty fast and scalable, and has much better mainstream support and a bigger ecosystem than Firebird.

I'm not really sure what Firebird is for at this point in life really. It was pretty exciting when it was open sourced in the early 2000s, before postgres became the mature beast it is, before mysql acquired something as basic as transactions, and before sqlite became the default embedded db. But then it never really went anywhere.

appplication 12 hours ago|||
DuckDB is more for analytics. I don’t think you’re going to find good options for a DB that can handle concurrent users without hosting it in some way server side. It’s certainly possible (think how some games create their own client servers for direct multiplayer) but honestly hosting Postgres or SQLite is ridiculously cheap, easy, and more importantly the standard approach to this issue.
hermitcrab 11 hours ago||
IIRC SQLite is in-process and says in it's documentation that it is not a client-server database.
apitman 10 hours ago||
I think the term you want to search for is local-first.
hermitcrab 2 hours ago||
My understanding is that Local First means syncs across multiple devices, which is not the same thing as multi-user concurrent access.
mritchie712 13 hours ago||
> Can I use DuckDB with Quack as the catalog database for DuckLake?

> Not yet, but we are working on it!

Seems like a niche use case, but it's the one I'm most interested in.

Our lakehouse uses ducklake with postgres as the catalog. Seems like a DuckDB / Quack catalog would be an excellent alternative.

pdet 13 hours ago||
I think that Quack will become the primary option for a DuckLake catalog in the future, for several reasons. To list a few:

1. No type mismatches for inlining. If you use a non-DuckDB catalog, many types do not have a 1:1 mapping, which introduces additional overhead when operating on those data types.

2. You get the raw performance of DuckDB analytics (and now transactions) over the catalog. DuckDB reading DuckDB is simply faster than any of our Postgres/SQLite scanners.

3. No round-trip for retries. We can easily(tm) run the full retry logic on the DuckDB server side. Right now, these retries trigger multiple round trips for Postgres, making it a performance bottleneck for high-contention workloads.

Disclaimer: I'm a duckdb/ducklake developer.

dangoodmanUT 10 hours ago||
This. Type casting is an insidious problem (both correctness, and perf)
szarnyasg 13 hours ago||
Well, we are really working on it: https://github.com/duckdb/ducklake/pull/1151

So you'll be able to test it in a few days.

IceWreck 13 hours ago||
Does this mean I can finally connect to a ducklake instnace hosted remotely? i.e. DuckLake is writing to disk on the remote server and my client is just a client.

Because rn even with Postgres as a catalog my client needs access to the underlying storage to use Ducklake.

szarnyasg 13 hours ago||
Yes, Quack resolves this problem. In particular, your client (likely a DuckDB instance) will talk to a remote DuckDB that both has access to the underlying storage and can also serve as the catalog itself.
hona_mind 8 hours ago|
The "what does DuckDB want to be" question keeps coming up, but I think the answer is already clear: it wants to be the SQLite of analytics. Embedded, zero-config, works everywhere. Quack is just the part that makes "everywhere" include remote.
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