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Posted by tosh 17 hours ago

MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble(www.jdhodges.com)
230 points | 257 commentspage 2
nicoburns 15 hours ago|
The Neo is pretty great, and the compromises are totally reasonable at the price point. But if they do a second generation with A19 Pro (and thus 12GB RAM) and a slightly better cooling system then it would really be fantastic.
tracker1 13 hours ago||
You can use a small thermal pad on the current Neo to bridge to the case, which helps with temps quite a bit.
steve_adams_86 13 hours ago||
I do this with my old 2017 MacBook Air and while the case gets pretty hot, it reduces throttling on the old Intel processor a lot. It felt like a new computer after replacing the thermal paste and adding that pad.
tracker1 13 hours ago||
Apparently the neo doesn't really get hot enough to really notice to the touch with the pad to the case.
baal80spam 15 hours ago||
> if they do a second generation with A19 Pro

I'm pretty sure it's a "when", not "if".

nicoburns 14 hours ago|||
Probably true. I hope they do it next year, but I suspect it might the following one.
adastra22 14 hours ago|||
Idk, I think they are regretting the unit economics of the Neo, and it is likely cannibalizing the Air sales.
tracker1 13 hours ago|||
Maybe some... but they're likely picking up a lot of people that would have gone with a $500-700 windows laptop instead.. and the margins are similar, so they're probably well ahead.
QuadmasterXLII 13 hours ago||||
intentionally cannibalizing their own sales is iirc the official apple policy: iphone destroyed ipod and was one of the best business mives of all time
adastra22 13 hours ago|||
iPhones were more expensive than iPods though
SecretDreams 11 hours ago|||
I miss the iPod right now lol. Give me a nano!
SecretDreams 11 hours ago|||
If they can use this product to lock more people into their ecosystem it'll work. As a lifelong windows/android user, I've been eyeing up the neo.

Also, the Neo is just cheap enough that it's a product I'd consider buying that I don't need. I'm not in the market for a new laptop and certainly not an Air. So I'm a demographic considering this product that is not going to cannibalize their existing sales. There's gotta be at least a dozen people like me!

adastra22 6 hours ago||
Do it. I've used Windows, Linux, and macOS over the years. Apple may be walled garden, but damn do they take care of their garden. It's worth trying out.
ant6n 4 hours ago||
It’s a nice hardware. But that garden is full of bugs, not much less than if you have open windows.
phyzix5761 1 hour ago||
I'll be impressed when Apple can make a charger that can stay in the wall.
habosa 11 hours ago||
Macbook Neo is amazing, so impressed what Apple can deliver for so little.

That said, my sister this morning asked if she should buy a Macbook Neo. I pointed her to a refurb M2 Macbook Air with 16GB of RAM for the same price. I feel like that's the right call? Slower single-core performance but better multi-core and I think for 90% of normal people use cases the RAM is the limit before the CPU.

Are others making the same calculation?

alirezaxdehghan 1 hour ago||
M2 Air with 16GB is the logical choice, especially if she doesn't have a habit of breaking/dropping laptops because probably she won't get apple care with a user air.
havaloc 10 hours ago|||
I think I would cut the line at M3 or above. I think M2 uses an older architecture and it doesn't have WiFi 6E in it, and of course single core is a bit lower. Also M2 batteries are about maybe halfway done already unless the refurb replaced the battery.
Scrounger 6 hours ago|||
> Also M2 batteries are about maybe halfway done already unless the refurb replaced the battery.

My mom still uses a 2019 Macbook Air with 8GB of RAM. The battery requires servicing, but she's unaware and still using it just fine. I asked her to go to the Apple Store and get the battery replaced along with her iPhone 12 Pro Max battery, and she'll easily get 10 years out of each device.

omgwtfbyobbq 8 hours ago|||
It depends on the benchmark/workload. There isn't much of a difference per core between the M1 (3.7k) and A18 pro (4k) based on passmark, but I'm sure the A18 does much better in AI/similar stuff.
bombcar 11 hours ago||
If the used ones are out there the more RAM is probably the way to go - but colors!

The reality is nobody is noticing differences between the M1 and anything afterwards, really - those that do will know enough to pick their laptop.

Keyframe 5 hours ago||
I understand the premise and it might be cool, but it does feel weird when your 6 year old playstation has more RAM than your laptop. Heck, even Nintendo Switch 2 has more RAM.
palata 2 hours ago|
Does it? If you browse the web and run Excel, it makes sense to me that you wouldn't need the same specs as when running video games?

IMO developers should be forced to run on such computers, such that they would care a little bit about optimisation.

kristianp 10 hours ago||
I wish the author had toned down the chatgpt style of the writing. e.g. headers that say "What You’re Getting for $599". Another example: "Read those numbers again. The same chip that posts 3,569 single-core when cold delivers 476 after five minutes of sustained load. That is an 87% reduction in single-core performance on the same hardware, running the same benchmark, separated by nothing but heat."
zozbot234 5 hours ago|
That second phrase did not feel too ChatGPT-like to me. The throttling behavior really does feel quite extreme and unprecedented as described, more typical of a mobile phone than a traditional PC. By analogy, even the crappiest and cheapest mobile PCs will not go as far as throttling the processor from a nominal 3.6 GHz to 480 MHz after five minutes of CPU-intensive load.
Fannon 6 hours ago||
While I got me a 16GB Macbook Air, I appreciate that Apple continues to make 8GB devices. This indicates for me also a commitment for not bloating up the OS (like Windows did) too much and caring about memory efficiency.
majorbugger 3 hours ago|
I don't understand this logic. You can live with 8 GB but there is nothing to "appreciate". It's enough for some stuff but totally short for other stuff.
briandw 15 hours ago||
We just bought the Neo for our daughter to use at school. My biggest concern was the trackpad. This is the first MacBook to not use a force touch trackpad since they were introduced. I must say that the new trackpad is really good. It's not quite as good as the force touch one in my MacBook Pro, but it's close. We will see how well the Neo holds up over time, but it's off to a good start.
codazoda 15 hours ago||
I never use the physical touch on the MacBook Pro or MacBook Air. It’s one of the first things I configure so that a light tap is a click. It somehow feels “faster” to me.
mmoustafa 3 hours ago||
how do you select text?
pashky 1 hour ago||
Three finger drag. That was the best and unique thing about apple touchpads since, like, early 2000s, but then it was buried deep down the menus and forgotten for some reason. But seriously - try it, you might never go back.
nicoburns 14 hours ago|||
The trackpads on the old (pre-force-touch MacBooks) were really good. The force-touch is (IMO) slightly better, but it's a slight difference.
georgel 12 hours ago||
I'll agree they were all great, but I liked the change to force-touch more.

The uni-body pre force-touch trackpads clicked on a hinge from the top and you would need to press much harder in that area.

auguzanellato 13 hours ago|||
It’s certainly better than most trackpads on non Macs, especially because it “clicks” ok even on the top part.
sgt 15 hours ago||
I've had many MacBook Pros but never thought about that. I guess mine has too. How do I use it? I just tap lightly to click.
dylan604 15 hours ago||
pretty much the only time I use it is to lookup the definition of a word by highlighting it and force clicking. Can't do that with the magic mouse.
sgt 2 hours ago||
Interesting. I find it easier just to CTRL-click it and pressing down on a flat surface.
RubberShoes 15 hours ago||
I still have AnandTech in a prime spot on my bookmarks toolbar. I miss the site so much and welcome any reviews like this that attempt to capture their level of detail when reviewing a product.
sysworld 14 hours ago|
You tried arstechnica? they do pretty good reviews.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/apple-macbook-neo-re...

revengerwizard 3 hours ago||
Was it really necessary to cut out Magsafe?

I feel like I end up stumbling on the charging cable at least one or two times. Plus, I wouldn't be able to re-use the old Macbook charger I have :(

memsom 25 minutes ago||
This makes no actual sense as a complaint.

The M-series all have chargers with a USB-C socket on them that the cable is plugged in to, so you would have been able to use the PSU from any M-series MacBook - even if they were the models prior to magsafe being re-introduced.

The magsafe in the M-series is not the same as magsafe 1 or 2, so they are not compatible and you would have needed to buy an adapter (and I have no idea if Apple has even made a first party version of this.) So you'd need a new adapter.

On the other hand, any USB-C charger that delivers the right voltage will charge the Neo.

iknowstuff 3 hours ago||
Just buy a magnetic usb-c cable if it’s very important to you
caycep 14 hours ago|
it also looks really nice. at the Apple Store, the chassis seems well machined. the "cheaper" apple logo insert also clearly also incurred some expense as it fit into the lid perfectly. Hinge, keyboard and trackpad felt good. Design team clearly took time to telegraph craft and quality in their product.
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