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Posted by ahmedomran8 11 hours ago

Cisco workforce reductions(blogs.cisco.com)
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gothicbluebird 6 hours ago|
one would think that those jobs identified as superfluous or dispensable are in administration more than in engineering. The lay-off procedure itself looks very bureaucratic and makes HR, lawyers, and managers indispensable. Cunning plan.
walrus01 8 hours ago||
5% reduction returns them to the headcount on what date? Something like mid 2022 if the info I'm finding is correct.
markus_zhang 9 hours ago||
OK looks like the horn has been blown. Now they are all doing layoffs. Wall Street waving its visible hand again?
semiquaver 8 hours ago||
OMG, press the “read aloud” button. Brings me right back to to computer class in 1995!
ing33k 8 hours ago|
sounds like a daft punk song !
alasano 9 hours ago||
Coinbase, CloudFlare, Cisco.

Another round of layoffs at CrowdStrike would fit the pattern nicely.

maxdo 8 hours ago|
Meta , ms ( soft ) , Google .
darkwater 4 hours ago||
Here we have a PR statement of a company announcing at the same time record revenues AND cutting 4000 jobs and the longest thread is complaining about Indian workers instead of bitching about the dystopian reality we live in where Cisco's behavior is accepted and acceptable.

Also, H1B are issued and requested by the company. Blame the system, not the immigrants .

dial9-1 54 minutes ago|
those 4000 laid off people will be replaced with 6000 H1B's. also why can't we hold both of them accountable?
fny 8 hours ago||
It's important to keep in mind Cisco made a billion AI and cybersec acquisitions in the past few years and they've downsized to 2022 levels.

This is not an AI job elimination story. I think the next recession will trigger that. The AI hype train ironically needs engineers of all stripes to run.

pjmlp 7 hours ago||
This is why you owe nothing to your employer, record revenue with management bonus, and layoffs for those that helped get there.

Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them.

Naturally this tends to be something only seniors see, thus ageism.

Scroll_Swe 4 hours ago|
>Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them.

? I started a new job a year ago. Overtime pay in contract. I gladly work and report overtime as I get paid way more :) BUT there has to be a real reason, such as deadline, alarm/alert and such.

You people are just lost. But I am in Sweden with a union job hehehe

pjmlp 4 hours ago|||
Same here, some of your southern neighbours also have unions on IT, as a union in general covers specific industries, regardless of what job each person does in the building.

As a tip for others as well, even without an union it helps to be aware of the country labour laws even if superficially.

dinkumthinkum 3 hours ago|||
Yeah, but compare the salaries to the US and then factor in taxes.
acdha 1 hour ago|||
Do this comparison both ways and factor in what you pay in addition for American high-stress/low-quality healthcare, college, retirement, etc. If you’re on the higher-end of the SV tech salaries, you’ll probably still come out ahead but for everyone else even Denmark tends to be cheaper.
pjmlp 3 hours ago|||
And healthcare, public transport, vacations, sick leave, maternity and paternity leave, layoff notice, layoff package, ....

Personally the salary isn't worth it.

totetsu 9 hours ago||
>To those leaving Cisco, thank you for your contribution, your dedication, and the mark you have made on this company. We are deeply grateful and are committed to handling this transition with the care, clarity, and respect that defines our culture.

Who the hell needs gratitude if you can't earn an income.. seeing all of these layoffs I cant help but think something along the lines of .. Those of use who greatest asset is our labor need to recognize the great risk it is at of going to 0 value in the near future, and renegotiate everything to get as much value out of that asset before it does. Like enough to retire on. And as with established theories of intelectual property rights protect creators moral rights to the profits of their work, there needs to be mandated moral rights that stop peoples labor being used as training data for AI without the consent, and without a path or compensation for the loss of income that will cause them.. Otherwise this is just one big transfer of power from most people, to people with capital, who can then wield that power in more capricious and selfish ways.

Scroll_Swe 4 hours ago||
Here you get laid off you need a notice 3 month in advance. America is just a hellscape but no need to be so drastic... companies still need to lay people off...
blitzar 4 hours ago||
> companies still need to lay people off...

The people who just gave you a 20% increase in profits in a year need to go?

Scroll_Swe 4 hours ago||
Yes, in a market economy layoffs still needs to happen.

What is your option? Companies keep people forever? In what economy does this work?

Please ask the Poles, Baltics and Eastern EU, when did their living standards increase? Was it joining EU or communist Soviet?

blitzar 4 hours ago||
layoffs at earnings results time never ever need to happen.

in a market economy you layoff people when functions, business, products or roles actually become redundant (or fire for cause / underperformance) rather than waiting potentially months till the end of the financial year to do it in a mass firing.

when you need new headcount, inventory or inputs to your supply chain you don't wait 7 months selling no products to see how full year revenue looks before you decide

if you are managing a team and have poor performers or functions that are no longer necessary, you should bring them up to scratch or manage them out immediately, not wait 11 months till the next eoy layoff round. these stupid layoff rounds promote dysfunctional organisations with bloat and keeping around dead weight or overhiring to sacrifice people at the altar of the consultant / mba / earnings juicing layoff rounds.

kjellsbells 9 hours ago||
lately I've been stuck by the similarities between the conversations workers are having now (we are toiling to increase someone else's capital, and need to reverse the imbalance of power) and the conversations people had in the 1920s and 30s.

With the benefit of hindsight we know that marxism didnt help, but I can see why the siren song was so attractive back then. Time to reread Eric Hobsbawm.

leopld 8 hours ago|||
Look at social democratic European states for inspiration. High unionization (supported by the state), unemployment benefits, cheap or free higher education.

Companies can still do layoffs, but that’s how you manage the consequences at a societal level.

I know the unionization part is contested these days in Europe, too - but it is still much stronger than in the US.

ivraatiems 8 hours ago||||
And to think, if they could just take less, and be satisfied being billionaires, not tens of billionaires, this could all be avoided... people don't ask for much. Give them a little, you'll be fine.

But that won't please The Market.

SpicyLemonZest 6 hours ago||
Chuck Robbins is not a billionaire. Yes, he's still extremely wealthy, but I really feel it's important to understand that that labor-capital relations are not primarily defined by people being greedy and wanting Bad Wealth when they could be satisfied with Good Wealth.
UltraSane 9 hours ago|||
Starting around 1970 the rich started working very hard to expressly undo the power labor gained during the New Deal.
bitmasher9 9 hours ago|
“We are running out of good ideas to execute on, so we are reducing our workforce to a quantity we can utilize.”
denkmoon 9 hours ago|
but there's still so many bad ideas available to be executed on
OccamsMirror 7 hours ago||
I want my LLM powered Firewall that checks with an agent on every connection request! AI powered security is the new hotness!
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